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Voters to decide wind power ordinance in March

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FARMINGTON – After a good amount of public hearing discussion Tuesday night, selectmen were split, 3-2, in favor of having voters at town meeting decide the wind energy performance standards draft proposed to be added to the town’s zoning ordinance.

Concerns from the residents attending the hearing and two of the five selectmen of the ordinance draft included the exemption from permit regulation when wind generated-power is used to pump water or operate equipment, that the allowable sound pressure level was set too high, that there wasn’t consideration built in for neighbors who might view the windmills and that windmills aren’t allowed in the village residential and village business district, which is essentially the area downtown.

Currently, Farmington has yet to pass a windmill addition to the zoning ordinance, as many neighboring towns have. In October, a wind power company from Massachusetts presented to the Farmington Planning Board a proposal to build four windmills off Bailey Hill Road as a commercial project. Those in favor of getting windmill regulation on the books said Tuesday night the draft may not be perfect but with a project already presented it’s time to move on it.

The proposed ordinance addition targets permit regulation for commercial and residential wind power systems, but not the industrial-sized wind farms that feature the largest wind turbines at 410 feet tall, from base to blade tip. Code Enforcement Officer Steve Kaiser said he doesn’t believe those projects are feasible in Farmington, due to the terrain and lack of enough wind to merit such a project.

The ordinance sets in place a permitting procedure for wind projects, regulating setbacks, sound emissions, making provisions for radio signal disturbance and lighting and shadow flicker effect.  As the ordinance currently reads, turbines would be required to not exceed a sound pressure level of 60 decibels, with the reading taken from the nearest property line. An exemption to that level is given for short periods of utility outages and/or severe weather events.

The ordinance also mandates the construction of a six-foot fence to enclose the base of tower. An exemption was added that no fence is required if the base, up to a height of 10 feet, can’t be reached to climb. Non-operative turbines could be required to be removed if power hasn’t been produced in 12 consecutive months, unless the CEO or planning board grants a waiver. A projection of a project’s potential for shadow flicker, caused by the blades casting shadows on the ground or other background to create rapid shifts in light intensity, would also be required.

Fees of $50, for a residential turbine, and $500, for each turbine in a commercial project, would be required for application submission. The ordinance exempts wind power systems used to pump water or air or operate equipment are exempt from all requirements for a residential wind energy system.

Commercial wind systems would be permitted in the zoning designations of “Farm and Forest” and “General Purpose”. Residential use allows windmills everywhere except village business and village residential areas. Residential windmill installation is subject to CEO approval and all commercial windmill projects need planning board approval.

Resident Burt Knapp argued against the noise level set at up to 60 dB (decibels).

“The ordinance is too weak and doesn’t protect me as a citizen,” Knapp said. He added, “we live in a rural area that’s quiet at night. I don’t want to hear a windmill and I don’t want to get hit by a windmill blade.” He advised the level should be lower.

Planning board member, Tom Eastler said the concept of noise can be confusing. “Noise is in the ear of the beholder,” he said. A 40 mph wind blowing through a beech forest is loud. As he addressed the group, he was talking at about 85 decibels, he said, an appropriate level at the crowded gathering. “A backup beeper can be very annoying but it depends on where you are standing,” he said.

Kaiser said 60 dB was chosen “because it’s the level we speak at” and “we chose a number we thought was reasonable.”

One Main Street resident who lives in the area zoned as village residential said he measured the street traffic passing by his house at 90 dB and wondered why a windmill wouldn’t be permitted downtown.

Kaiser said typically the low wind velocity downtown didn’t necessarily warrant having the view of a windmill in the historic district. The one windmill at a residence on Main Street would be exempt from the ordinance because it was already installed a few years ago.

Resident Brian Demshar, a resident of Osborne Road, has big concerns of what the Bailey Hill Road project would do to his view.

“I’d like it (the proposed ordinance) to consider the view as it does noise,” he said, adding, “I’d like to see a study done at my house and how it would effect it.”

Selectman Drew Hufnagel said his initial concern of the earlier drafts presented still had not been addressed. He said the exemption for equipment and pumps utilizing wind power creates a loophole through which a permit would not be needed. “Why have this,” he said holding up the draft ordinance copy. He voted against putting it on the town meeting warrant because that loophole needed to be closed, he said. Selectman Ryan Morgan said he wanted to see abutters having more say in windmill installation, particularly when it comes to visual impact.

Dennis Pike countered with letting voters decide the issue at town meeting. The draft would need a straight up or down vote and can’t be substantially altered at town meeting, which is set for 7 p.m. Monday, March 19 at the Community Center. Selectmen Chair Steve Bunker and Jessica Berry agreed the draft should go to the voters for their input.

“Let’s let the community have their say,” Berry said.

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  1. Whether you agree or disagree with any wind towers, any ordinance pertaining to those wind towers, or concern about noise, the only way this is going to be FAIR is for the voters to become INFORMED! Don’t let your neighbors make your decision. Get out there and ask questions. Do some research. Find out how much this will impact your taxes.
    This is a prime time for all of us “regular” voters to ask the question: Is it fair for temporary residents to make the decision for the permanent residents and tax payers? NO!

  2. whats the pay off if you put a windmill on my property,i got room for one if it will pay my taxes and give me a comfortable retirement..and dennis you are all right let the people speak

  3. This is just the result of people being lazy. If you can’t afford gas then go get some fire wood. No need for these giant machines all over our pretty state

  4. Mike Culpepper – I actually had to chuckle at your comment.

    For the record I don’t have a problem with the wind mills. I think they are part of the solution in freeing us from imported oil.

    Over the past fews years we’ve heard all the arguments why wind mills should not be allowed, one of them being how destructive it is to the western Maine mountains. Yet, your proposal is to have all of us go cut down those same trees for firewood. Hmmm don’t quite get that one.

  5. That’s not the point because trees will grow back. I don’t want to have my kids to have to deal with these gigantic, corporate, job-stealing machines. If i dont like a tree I can go cut it down. If i dont like a windmill and I try to cut it down I go to jail. Its just another way socialism is spreading though God’s county

  6. “If I dont like a tree I can go cut it down” NOT if it’s on someone’s property, which is kinda of the point as well.

    ‘Gigantic, corporate, job-stealing machines’ are located on private property. That’s something a lot of anti-wind mill individuals can’t quite comprehend.

    Now, I’m waiting for the next anti-wind mill excuses, uh, I mean reasons …….

  7. Bruce, by your reasoning, Farmington should not have a dog barking ordinance. I have to assume that regardless of the change in noise levels, a change in view, etc. it doesn’t matter because the offending issue is on personal property. Your neighbor turns their front yard into a what amounts to a garbage dump, that’s OK. Someone moves in next door with a kennel of hunting dogs or a machine shop, that’s OK. Just want to be clear.

    Regardless, wind power is not getting us off foreign oil. It just isn’t. I don’t use electricity to heat my home and for most of these projects in the area (which, by the way are more like 450′ turbines–the ones in Farmington ), the energy is going out of state. Also, anyone who has studied this issue knows it is not just about dB’s, it’s about the low frequency noise, as well.

  8. Here we go again. A casino in every town and a wind mill in every neighborhood. Let’s stop the insanity.

  9. Just because it isnt on my property doesnt mean it doesnt bother me. I enjoy my sunsets and view of nature as well as the next God fearing american and I dont want that ruined by big steel obstructions spinning about and making unnatural noises. Yeah maybe you will save a couple bucks here and there but which side will you be on when a bald eagel flies into one of these things

  10. @MikeCulpepper, why would an eagle fly into a wind mill ? Are they incapable of seeing those gigantic, corporate, job stealing machines? If that is your excuse, then we should take the windows out of our houses so the birds don’t fly into them. Birds don’t see well you know.

  11. People You’d better think wisely on these wind towers as far as noise goes. The Roxbury towers (Record Hill Wind) have been on line for about a month. We were told that only the people on the east side of them would hear any noise. From my house in Byron I can see 5 and I’m about due north at a distance of 1.8 miles. And we can hear them about 40-50 percent of the time. Maybe more at night when things are quieter. To me It’s ike a truck coming and never getting here. A few days ago I was at a distance of a mile from them. That day they sounded like a train, First one would make the sound for a bit, later another down the line would pick it up. No doubt at a mile distance that train noise could be heard inside a house. The towers may be going on private property, but the noise doesn’t stay there
    In the summer and fall I like to sleep with the window open. I’m not going to be a happy camper having to listen to that sound all night long.

  12. how bout just daming up the sandy river ,flood farmington ,and build a wopping big dam

  13. Wow Allie, thanks for the first hand experience. Up until I read your side I was for these things, you know progress… A better way life… Cheaper electric bills…. Just about all the promises! But noise!!?????? I just didn’t think it would travel that far! Your comment reminded me that the big business corporate world always has the really awful side of the issue hidden… Way down in the small business print that most of us well meaning citizens don’t bother to look for!

    Allie, in the blink of an eye you made me remember the small print! You reminded me of my reasons for living in this state… It’s gorgeous! It’s natural, raw beauty should be allowed to be harvested yes but in a manageable and renewable way!

    Let’s not let saving a very small amount of money ruin the beauty we all get to enjoy by living in this state!

    I love these discussions… I learn so much from them! They make me see more sides of an issue so that when it comes time to vote I can do so having a lot more knowledge then I did originally!

    Ok, so it’s the next guys turn. What’s on your mind?

  14. OK, I give up.

    Let’s ban all vehicles from driving as too many animals (probably millions) have been hit by cars and trucks every year. Let’s close all airports and also forbid trains from running, way too much noise generated by those corporate job stealing machines. Let’s fire up those mid west coal power plants, we don’t need clean air to breathe and heck looking at those beautiful western Maine mt’s on a clear day is such a drag anyways.

    Those of you not wanting to see wind mills put up and cry out about the construction of them and how much woods are cut, you should go check out Google Earth or some other program that allows you to zoom out and get a good clear look at those western Maine mts. Most of the photos are taken during the winter when the foliage is off the trees. You can clearly see the miles of endless roads and twitch trails going through those vast areas. Not just small portions of it but just about the whole area. Not so pristine when you can see that those areas have been logged over and over again for probably centuries.

    Lisa, both of my neighbors raise pigs and other various farm animals. On a warm breezy summer day, we do get to enjoy their pleasant aromas. We get to share their dogs pesky barking from time to time. What’s your point? How does that even begin to compare with this topic? Your comparing apples to oranges, something people do when they don’t have a leg to stand on in a discussion.

    As stated before wind mills are a part of the solution. Not the end all of all problems and the end of our dependance on oil. I don’t care whether it’s imported or domestic, oil is not a good thing. We need wind, solar, hydro, nuclear and tidal powers. All of which are proposed but all of which have some obstruction because of the nimby’s. What should take x amount of dollars in x amount of time gets doubled and sometimes tripled because of the obstruction of minor players.

    Do I want that flattening of the mountains and bulldozing of the forests? Of course not but their needs to be some balance in all these things. Flatly saying wind mills are wrong is just the same as saying lets put up a couple in everyone’s back yard. Both points are wrong and irresponsible.

  15. Bruce,

    We can all see you narrow-minded liberal view. The fact that you have pigs for neighbors is neither here nor there. My point is just that these windmills will have negative effects on our lives through both sound and visual disturbances. The real question is though, has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?

  16. I agree, the massive windmills should be regulated, since they are known to rarely have issues. If the clutch goes, boom. But the small residential ones are totally outside the issue. I have a small one on a tower on top pf my house. Sure, it makes noise, but not much, and a whole lot quieter than the traffic going by.
    And BTW, I was always raised to believe that if I didn’t like the looks of something that wasn’t hurting anyone, DON’T LOOK
    Before you spout your opinions, actually go see a windmill in action. I’ve been up to Kibby Mountain, close enough to touch those windmills. Granted, anything that big would be impractical in Farmington, due to the lack of enough wind to turn them. Then go look at the much smaller residential models. Some of those have a diameter of less than 3 feet, and most can barely be heard 100 feet away, cranking full blast. Underneath it, is a whole different story.
    The people who are inclined to go out of their way to look at it then complain about the appearance, be assured I will do the same about your electrical pole.
    As for the efficiency and cost effectiveness, there are $500 models that will pay for themselves within a year even in Farmington. Of course, relying on just a windmill is inadvisable, but is a good source for an off-grid system where it’s just charging batteries. And before someone calls me a tree hugging granola, I’m only off-grid because of the exorbitant amount CMP wanted to put in a pole and 400 feet of line.

  17. This will be the third time I’ve posted this particular letter from my sister-in-law on this topic. I think many will find it interesting, espcially when you follow the money. My sister-in-law lives in Maine (Franklin County) in the Winter and returns to Alaska in the Spring.
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    Hi ,
    I thought I’d tell you about my evolution in the energy world. Four or five years ago there was a proposal to bring electricity to my part of the world (which we opposed on grounds of the development that would follow). It came, of course, and one day as I was sitting at one of the endless construction roadblocks it suddenly dawned on me that all the CONSTRUCTION vehicles had the APT logo (Alaska Power and Telephone). I thought, this is really wierd, why is this? and I started asking around. Turns out that nowadays power companies have two sides (at least), construction and operation. This matters.

    Suppose your little town decided to build a school. You would get bonds and grants and the whole deal, and give the construction grant to the lowest bidder and in the end you would take ownership of a nice new school, the operation of which which would be up to you (and the state, of course), right? Power companies on the other hand pick out a place, say Farmington, where they can quietly assess their chances of persuading people that a power project would be nice (that would be that petition you signed). They schmooze with the mayor, etc, and go on about big Federal bucks and jobs and so on. They find a farmer with cashflow problems who maybe would like to retire, and persuade him what a great thing this would be for everybody. And then eventually they get to the point of the trial balloon- that’s the presentation to the local planning board. Where they go on about the “clean power of wind” and forget to mention anything else. All of this comes out of the company’s pocket, but hey, you gotta spend money to make money, right?

    At this point they really get going. They slip a tentacle into the US treasury and start sucking up the funds. We (the US taxpayer) are still paying to build the entire facility, just like that school, but in the end we don’t own the thing, the power company does. Their construction side makes the huge bucks on construction, and then their operation wing makes the huge bucks on selling us the power. Cute. And there is a LOT of money in it, which is why so many people are racing to the trough. Understanding how this works makes it possible to explain how they can afford to build these things so far from the point of sale, which is Boston: that only costs us. To the company, the further it is the better, they don’t pay to build their own facilities, they are PAID to build. (Incidentally, pretending that they want to sell the power locally “at or below cost” is a common ploy, and who knows what “cost” might mean). Oh and there’s none of that old-fashioned crap about lowest bidders- in this game the guy who got in there first with his proposal wins, and he gets to charge whatever he likes, pretty much.

    So what’s wrong with it? Well, does Farmington have a tourism economy? Everybody hates looking at these things. You’ll see them from all over town- they’ll be clearing the whole hilltop and of course a 300 or 400′ tower is a lot taller than anything around. If you are enjoying your rural lifestyle, living next to an industrial site will be a bit different. If you thought you were building equity in your property, bear in mind that nobody will buy it if you ever need to sell, but your taxes won’t go down to compensate. The elec company has power of eminent domain, they can put their huge high-tension power lines whereever they want, and of course your little rural road isn’t going to stay little. In fact Farmington has a lot of streets and roads that will need to be “improved” to allow this construction (and do you think they’ll stop at three towers?).

    I listened to a presentation last year from a construction engineer who builds these things in places like ND, who urged people in Maine to fight them to the last breath, basically. He said, “You can’t live next to these things”. So get on the Internet, look at how other towns in Maine are fighting them or what life there is like now they’re built. Look at Friends of the Highland Mountains and the other sites. Print out everything you can find, go to meetings, hand out information. At least go down fighting.

    Love, Sally

  18. Mike,

    Having a discussion with you, it’s like having a battle of wits with an unarmed person.

    Narrow minded liberal view? Where did you dig that one up from? I’m saying, keep an open mind, you’re the one that keeps saying no, good grief talk about narrow minded. Do you have an idea or any vague notion what a possible alternative can be to this type of renewable energy would be? I didn’t think so, keep talking about chopping them down or trees or whatever, that will get us somewhere.

    “The real question is though, has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?” UH? Can you formulate that into a complete intelligible sentence please?

  19. Sally,

    My cousin’s Uncle’s twin brother’s best friend to him that wind mills are ok. If I say that three times, does it bring more impact to the discussion?

    I know sarcastic, but so many people’s argument comes from some third or fourth party or some obscure information they found on the internet from some supposed expert.

    If only people would look at the reasons they have for opposing wind mills and apply that reasoning to any other projects (railroad lines/highways/airports/shipyards/power plants/oil refineries etc.) Whether in the past or ones proposed for the future and nothing absolutely nothing would ever have been done or will get done with your obstructionists views.

    If we want to live in a modern society with all the modern conveniences, these things are necessities. What needs to be done is a conversion from the polluting monsters we have now for producing power to these TYPES of projects. Are they perfect? Of course not, there is no one complete perfect type of renewable energy source that will not cost a lot of money to get off the ground or will work 100% of the time, that’s why a good mix of these types of energy sources are needed. We would probably still need gas power plants but at least they are cleaner than oil and coal fired power plants.

  20. Bruce,

    No need to start using put downs. Staying objective and to the point would benefit this forum. What are you so mad about? I was wondering who would want to look more like that has anyone really been even far enough as to decided to use even to go?

  21. Bruce, You state as fact that these types of projects will help society be less dependent on oil/coal? That is simply untrue. The article posted some time ago in a similar thread (by Hutch – who, more often than not, has much different views than I do) from Forbes magazine (http://www.forbes.com/2011/07/19/wind-energy-carbon) is something you should look at. A summary statement from the article:
    “The wind energy business is the electric sector’s equivalent of the corn ethanol scam: it’s an over-subsidized industry that depends wholly on taxpayer dollars to remain solvent while providing an inferior product to consumers that does little, if anything, to reduce our need for hydrocarbons or cut carbon dioxide emissions.”

    If agreeing to living with these windmills and the adverse effects they have makes you feel good about saving ourselves from fossil fuel issues -you’re fooling yourself.

  22. Thanks everybody I’m learning more with each letter! I just received my computer and I’m very new at this game, in fact I didn’t even know this type of forum was out of there until recently! Gosh I love this country! Where else can can we share two opposing veiw points so openly! And Mike and Bruce you guys are funny! Keep it up, it’s a Free country. Good men and women have fought and died to keep this right for us! So let’s go…. New round…. Bruce I think it’s your turn!

  23. Mike Culpepper, regarding your comment yesterday “Its just another way socialism is spreading though God’s county”, umm, excuse me, God is a socialist.

  24. The babbleing brook or river runs everday. Build a fish stairway. Gee we have power and the fish keep swimming. Jobs created by construction & maintenance. And how about keeping the power generated here to power our needs. If we have extra then sell it to our nieghbors. What is wrong with everyone out there?? Why continue to support a dead horse?? Wind power is only good for flying Kites!!

  25. read an archived issue of Down East Mag (it’s at the library)
    which had an article illustrating the effects that windfarms had on
    people, especially at night. go ahead. try to sleep…
    ( the company takes the “good faith” approach and drives around with
    them during the day and says, “i don’t hear anything” .) shoot, probably didn’t
    turn off the car.

  26. I have to state that i thought wind energy was the best thing going. “Free power” So I thought! I’d read where people were opposed to these projects and would get quite IRATE.
    Then Angus king and Gardner proposed the Record Hill project here In Byron as well as in Roxbury. At first I thought It would be cool watching these In action. Then I learned how many they had proposed (22). At this point I’d never seen any or met the parts being trucked along our highways like you people around Farmington.
    We had meeting with King and Gardner in Byron and were assured that at a mile distance we’d hear nothing. No flash effect or noise unless you lived east of the towers–Great, as We’d be due east and about a mile distance at our house. –I didn’t buy into the no noise and brought up the ice storm we had in the 90’s and how for days you could hear trees cracking and coming down over a mile away. Same area as the towers were to be built.
    Later with the other facts like Maine already produces more power than we use, Where the money comes from to pay for these projects (US) and who gets to profit from the towers (THEM). I voted with friends to make changes, and so far have kept the towers out of Byron. Still until the Record Hill Towers went on line I was saying how i’d of gone along with them “IF” the power was for Maine only. Now that I know how much noise they make I’ve changed my tune here as well.
    There’s enough Info out there that if you truely have an open mind, then you can sort out the truth about the towers and about our dependency on oil, because like it or not we’re going bo be on oil for a long time coming.
    I have one of those small wind gereraters at camp to keep the batteries up during the winter. South shore of a pond and i can say that it has been a money pit, as some winters it kept the batteried up, then some winters it didn’t and the batteried froze. Two years ago i put a small solar pannel In, and so far it has done the job. The expence was replacing 8 -6 volt deep cycle batteries–twice!

  27. I’ve seen first hand how ugly oil drilling rigs look next to a once beautiful view on the coast of California! Progress, yes! helpful to Substain our life, yes! Ugly, yes!
    Smelly, yes! Loud, yes! I like my modern convenience as well as the next person but I don’t want them if the cost to our beautiful state is loss of peace, quiet, and views! Now folks I’m not a tree hugging environmentalist, who wants everyone back to the land, I’m a very concerned tax paying Maine citizen who isn’t ready to lose what we have in this state! The views in this state are breath taking! Not sure wy some of you want to take that away from ALL of us just to save a few dollars “Maine, te way life should be” not… Maine,ugly, and noisy just like everybody else! Your ideas are important to you and youthink you have the answer to help support our greedy needy way of life. Ok, but your idea is taking away myfrom right to have a wonderfully beautiful place to live! My idea to leave it the way it is doesn’t hurt you…. I didn’t change anything! You want progress….. Go move to it! Its just across the state line! Leave the peace and quiet of our beful state alone! You don’t like what we have to offer here??? Move, it’s a allowed! Let me enjoy “Maine, the way lifeshould be”!

  28. Now that the State has acquired Crocker Mountain, how about putting the windmills up there? They are protecting it from ever being developed, so no one can ever build there. Therefore the noise won’t bother nearby residents. The state says they are not an eyesore, so wouldn’t state lands would be a perfect site for them? In fact, why don’t they put them up on Katahdin? That would probably meet their deadlines quickly in one big ‘wind farm’. They say they create jobs, well sure could use some jobs in Millinocket!

    think about it, folks. The State and LURC – playing NIMBY with us?

  29. I am wondering about one thing. Is this a get rich quick scheme by the failed farms on the Bailey Hill Rd.
    Also, I had the chance to speak with an engineer from New York who was fully versed on the Kibby
    Wind Project. He told me that the amount of electricity produced by them amounts to silliness and that they all have DIESAL generators on standby as backup. Such much for getting off from carbon based fuels. Everyone bought into Al Gore’s lies.

  30. Failed farms on Bailey Hill Rd? You must be speaking of a Bailey Hill Rd. in another town. I’ve only lived on this road for nine years and none of the dairy farms (three of them) have failed during that time. All of them have made changes in order to strive and survive but none have failed.

    Al Gore has nothing to do with this.

    You are absolutely correct though about “the amount of electricity produced by them amounts to silliness…”

  31. Wow, this should be a heck of a town meeting!!!!

    As far as veiwing these things, I guess the comparison should be made with mircowave towers ad cell phone towers. I don’t think having an adverse effect on the view will hold up well if it ever goes into a court. PLEASE remember any ordinace that the town passes may end up there at sometime.
    The noise is a valid point, I always thought it was measureable, I’m sure there are levels that bother sleep or cause aggitation. The medical community must have standards for that. So anyone in close proximity could argue that point with good success.
    As far as how much power they produce? It’s a gamble. In good wind locations they make a fair amount of power, but not constantly. The coastal ones I looked at power the entire town. They put up 3 and run two at a time holding the third in reserve to fill in for one of the others if it goes down or needs upkeep.
    They are far from a perfect solution to the need for power., but it truth there is no perfect solution.. Everything we use has it’s drawbacks.. So what do we do??/

  32. You know Dutch, the only problem is that probably one in ten of the people commenting here will even bother to show up at the town meeting.

  33. I’m afraid your right, (Myopinion) Too many times people want to not get involved in the process. The Town meetings, the Board meetings they are all public forums, people have to speak out for what they believe in. If you don’t then don’t complain that no one listened. Your rights are not free! They were bought and paid for by the brave folks before you who fought for them. To have them ignored or trampled because you don’t want to get involved. That’s not he spirit that made this country. I don’t care what your position is on this if you like it or you don’t like it, get out and get involved.

    To quote the great Mr. Burke: “All that is needed for evil to triumph is for good men to stand by and do nothing” The same is true with politics of any kind or any level. When good men and women remain silent who is left to guard our rights and liberty?

    GET OUT, GET INVOLVED!!!!! or don’t complain

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