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Kenny Brechner debates with John D. Rockefeller

The issue of's aggressive vertical and horizontal growth, along with their strong arm tactics towards suppliers and their predatory pricing, has been a source of constant vigilance within the book business for many years. It has been largely invisible beyond that forum, however. The current Amazon versus Hachette controversy has changed that, moving our concerns into public view.  I see this as a good thing in and of itself. After all, legislation does not write nor update itself. The active confluence of law with commercial and cultural issues is not worked out in a vacuum. Public opinion, debate and advocacy are the lifeblood of the process of governance and regulation. Given the complexity of the issues involved,  it seemed wise to seek the opinion of someone who could offer a fresh view based on hard-won personal experience. Fortunately, John D. Rockefeller agreed to share his perspective here.

John D. Rockefeller

Kenny: Hi John. I appreciate you taking time from your… retirement, to weigh in on on the current societal controversy regarding’s role in the economy and in the publishing world in particular.

John: It’s my pleasure, Kenny. Well overdue that someone took the time to make contact with me on this issue. Initiative is never without its reward, my man.

Kenny: Now some people have suggested that Jeff Bezos is out to make you look like a piker in the monopoly department.

John: That is a very foolish statement. Standard Oil was marked by honest, clearly stated aggression with clearly intended results. We sought to do our part in ridding the world of the evils of competition, and helping people to govern themselves more effectively by placing them in the rigid and rigorous structure  which mediocre individuals require to better themselves and perform on a higher level., on the other hand, seeks to extinguish competition through propaganda, pandering to weak human impulses to achieve an ignoble effect, and on cheap dissimulation.

Kenny: Well, even objectively stated, Amazon is still some distance from the Monopoly threshold standards stipulated by Sherman which you, uh, achieved.

John: That is precisely the point. The monopoly threshold standards in Sherman were written for Standard Oil. The economy has drastically changed since then and the Department of Justice has fallen into the old trap of fighting the last war. For one thing, Amazon’s extensive diversity of retailed items ensures that the idea of any particular threshold being met will be thwarted by dilution and thus still remain below threshold taken as only a portion of Amazon’s whole. They have, I must admit, done a brilliant job of conning the DOJ into using the existing laws against their enemies in the Agency Pricing case. An admirable irony if you go in for that sort of thing.

Kenny: I see, you also mentioned a difference in character between Standard Oil and today’s

John:  We were never duplicitous. There was no twaddle about everything being for the customer, or the children, or the doggies. I preferred to let my actions talk and leave the nature of things for ineffectual minds to chew their cud on. I meant to make a huge profit, and that’s what I did. Amazon panders to the stock market rather than just making money. The idea of profit with them lies in harming other businesses without benefiting themselves monetarily. That, I consider a perversion.

Kenny: How do you interpret their current standoff with Hachette?

John: They want other businesses to dig their own graves. It’s that simple. They want the publishers to subsidize the predatory pricing that is threatening the viability of their own industry just so their sales numbers won’t drop. Not to my taste at all. A dirty business. Crush your enemies and reward your servants. None of this cheap, perverse duplicity.

Kenny: Do you feel that there is anything to the argument that books have a special role in society?

John: Of course they do. I made my money on oil. Carnegie on steel. True commodities. We would never have sought to turn culture itself into a commodity. As I have said: perversion is not a stabilizing influence.

Kenny: What advice do you have for Amazon’s opponents?

John: Advocate for the laws to reflect the current, much lower, vertical and horizontal thresholds required to cripple competition. Do not allow diverse items to be considered part of some unholy basket of pricing policies. Keep in mind that the definition of competition is as variable as that of freedom. If you believe in service based competition then be an honest fool, tell the Department of Justice to stop making an ass of themselves, not to behave like a Rottweiler chasing after decades-old rotten meat, and to allow minimum pricing. Live in the present, and stick to what you believe in.

Kenny: Thank you, John. I appreciate your sharing these candid reflections with us.

John: I have enjoyed our chat, Kenny. It was a welcome diversion to be sure.

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  1. By the time of his death in 1937, estimates place his [Rockefella's] net worth in the range of US $663.4 billion in adjusted dollars for the late 2000s, and it is estimated that his personal fortune was equal to 1.53% of the total U.S. annual GDP in his day. When considering the real value of his wealth, Rockefeller is widely held to be the wealthiest person in history.

    [Bill Gates peaked in 1999 at US $101 billion]


  2. great piece, Kenny, and effectively done

  3. That old advertisement appears to be drawn in the same style as Dr. Seuss!

    The publishing world, is undergoing a paradigm shift both in terms of self-publishing but also in terms of electronic vs. print.

    The oil market as well as global warming will ultimately affect Amazon and the market overall in ways we cannot foresee.

    Knowledge, and access to it, used to be a means to power. Now, the masses have access to vast amounts of data.

    What will become of that? Will those with power find ways to throttle the flow of knowledge? Will the masses be indifferent to the access?

  4. I buy my books locally, I encourage Bulldog readers to do the same.
    Nothing like a good bookstore, I hope you are around for many years Kenny.

  5. Will those with power find ways to throttle the flow of knowledge?

    NY Times: When Media Mergers Limit More Than Competition

    ... a merger between 21st Century Fox and Time Warner Inc. ... would reduce control of the major Hollywood studios to five owners, from six, and major television producers to four, from five.

    With Comcast trying to take over cable and internet, the tense of the question needs to be changed:

    Have those with power found ways to throttle the flow of knowledge?

  6. That old advertisement appears to be drawn in the same style as Dr. Seuss!

    It's not just the same style. Squint at the lower left corner. From the Wikipedia page:

    Geisel gained a significant public profile through a program for motor boat lubricants produced by Standard Oil under the brand name Essomarine.

  7. Hmmm, my feelings for the Sneetches, Horton, green eggs and cats in hats will be forever altered.

  8. Thanks, Kenny. Fun to read and informative.