Where is the outrage against American concentration camps for children?
Infants, preschoolers, adolescence and teens are being forcefully taken away from their parents by ICE agents and placed in children concentration camps (calling them detention centers and saying how well the children are being treated doesn’t make it humane.)
Children are placed in cages, like animals at a veterinary shelter, while waiting transportation to ‘facilities’ run by for-profit private companies. Because of the volume of children and the understaffed bureaucracy many of these children will never be reunited with their parents.
This is a Trump policy, not a law. The Trump White House, spearheaded by Attorney General Jefferson Beauregard Sessions, is responsible for instituting this cruel and inhuman policy because Democrats refuse to vote for a Trump wall.
Trump blames the Democrats, but he could stop this with a telephone call.
A nursing baby taken away from her mother. Where is the outrage? Where are the marches? Where are the outcries?
What kind of America have we become?
William Gilliland
Farmington
I know how many cages this comment is going to rattle, but here it goes…..If immigrants are aware of what is going to happen when they try crossing the boarders – why are they still attempting it? Maybe what Trump is doing for them here is a better option for them?
I feel for the families being separated, however we can’t even take care of our own people…..
Dear Just Saying,
I do not understand your argument. Taking “care of our own people” is a completely different debate. I understand your intent, however refusing to stand against an evil practice because you feel there is something else that we should do first is illogical. Separating families is wrong and will do irreparable harm to children. Period. The current administration is (and has) lied about their involvement. If you want to stand up for the homeless, or veterans or some other impacted group of people, that is great (and I am right there with you) – but it will not change the fact that this is happening. If you had to choose between getting shot by a gang or potentially housed in a holding facility, which would you choose for your child? Asking for asylum is not illegal and we should not be punishing parents or children who seek it. If we can hold parents in one cage and the kids in another, we could darn well hold them together for the same cost (not that I recommend that as a solution). The fact is, the president wants to hold the dems hostage in the hopes that our “bleeding hearts” will cave to the wall. As a country we are ridiculously bad at doing our part to help those in need. Shameful.
“The problem is that, under current law, once the kids come across the border, there’s a system in which we’re supposed to process them take care of them, until we can send them back.”
“Do not send your children to the borders. If they do make it, they’ll get sent back. More importantly, they may not make it.” Barack Obama – June 2014
Funny, not a word from William Gilliland then…
This has been going on since 1997. Its nothing new although it’s not right. This would have been solved almost a year ago if both parties would work together instead of being whiney little babies and throwing tantrums ie DACA. If Mr. Gilliland had put all the facts in his letter that would help but that’s how people stir the pot. Would you like a spoon sir ?
PerhapsWillard Gilliand should be doing some research on the immigration law before he jumps to any conclusions as to who is to blame for the mess than maybe he would not be so quick to jump to conclusions without the true facts.Seems to be a lot of judges with noJurys.cOMING HERE LEGALLY WOULD correct a lot of their troubles.
The picture of kids in cages are from a protest from 2016 in Texas, then became fake news on the internet saying they’re in cages now. These illegals could have avoided all this by coming to a port of entry and claiming to be seeking political Asylum, where ICE would process them and also keep the family together. But is we ALL know if you break the law in this country you go to jail and I know of no inmate that has been allowed to bring his or her children with them to jail. Also I don’t remember this outrage when the obuma administration was doing the same thing. Guess the left wing news wasn’t blasting this 24/7 On all the media outlets. Also it very unclear if many of these children are even traveling with a family member. So as I see it, it’s not our government that are abusing these kids, but the people that tried to cross them ILEGALLY.
Thank you Informed Voter! I was also going to ask where the writer’s outrage was when this was happening in 2014! It was reported on very briefly at that time, but with the new administration in place, the media is now flooding the airways with the images of the families in an effort to blame Trump for every American problem that was created by the previous administration. Give me a break! Go Trump!!!
Check when “Zero Tolerance” was initiated. Check also when “Zero Tolerance” was discussed as a strong option to take, by John Kelly.
Check the time line and internment numbers of migrants, with families, and without. Check when separating families became part of the daily practice, and the numbers separated….Check for the children traveling alone, and their ages…..
Someone high on the political ladder is trying to pressure others to “Build that Wall”. Maybe we should send the Honorable S Carey south to start laying the bricks and mortar?
Playing politics by name calling, and giving amazing tax reductions to corporations, and the very wealthy is one thing.
Separating families is another, political move causing great harm. The adults may recover…the children may never recover. Shall we use traumatic stress to build that wall? Traumatic stress induced by our Great Leader and his lieutenants? Please say NO.
Get informed, and vote your beliefs. Frequently fact check….
Mr. Gilliland, Who was President in 2009? Was it Trump? No, it wasn’t, it was Obama. The 9th circuit court ruled in 2009 that children couldn’t stay with their parents passed 20 days, then they had to be released to DHHS or a family member. This was a democrat controlled house, senate and president that passed this law. Do you know what Donald J Trump was doing in 2009? Hosting the Apprentice and running his empire. Do you know what happened in 2015? The 9th circuit reaffirmed it’s previous ruling from 2009. Do you know what Donald J Trump was doing in 2015? Running for President. Do you know what ICE has been doing since 2009? Enforcing that federal law. President Trump cannot violate federal law. If he could go against federal law, there wouldn’t be a Muslim in this country until they had been vetted properly. So drop the CNN talking points, they aren’t true.
This is the reason for Trump’s current baby Gitmo dilemma. It’s of his own making. It has not been happening for decades.
On April 6th 2018, Jeff Sessions and Kirstjen Nielsen, the head of Homeland Security, announced a zero-tolerance policy for immigrants at the border. Anyone who didn’t cross the U.S. border at an official port of entry would be criminally prosecuted, even if they were seeking asylum, and those travelling with their children would be separated from them. The policy was now official, and the Administration acknowledged its rationale: it was separating families to discourage others from travelling to the United States illegally.
The zero tolerance policy is the President’s frustration with the fact that the immigration numbers are back up from when he first took office. The only tools the Administration has now, in the absence of legislation, is to make life miserable for people. He’s very good at that.
Informed Voter – who is informing you? Breitbart? Infowars? You may want to seek a more credible source. What Obama said directly before your quote was “Our message absolutely is don’t send your children unaccompanied, on trains or through a bunch of smugglers.” He said this to George Stephanopoulos in response to unaccompanied minors riding on the roofs of trains to get into the United States. This had nothing to do with what is happening now, which is a forced separation of guardian and child. Rosetta, maybe you should do a little research yourself. Under federal law, anyone from another country can seek asylum — and therefore entry into the U.S. — by claiming to have fled their countries out of fear of persecution over their race, religion, nationality, political opinion or membership in a particular social group. Immigrants are eligible to apply for asylum for up to one year after their entry into the U.S., and can apply whether they entered the country legally or illegally. This is not illegal – it is our law. Maga – some of these folks were seeking asylum and were treated the same way, regardless, under federal law it does not matter how they enter the country if they are seeking asylum. Obama was not doing the same thing. Hrtlss – I think you are bit off-base because what you are speaking about had to do with unaccompanied minors….kids who came here alone in the first place. Publius – right on.
Preach to your own choir…
Yawn.
The libs have shaky knees and weak stomachs.
Geez,can’t we leave Trump out of the Bulldog? He is a decorated war veteran who is known for his bravery. A truly faithful and devoted husband and father ,an honest business man whose word is good as gold and always pays his bills. He has always been a gentleman in the presence of women and he adores dogs as they do him. A thoughtful and well spoken man with an unquenchable thirst for knowledge ,our allies look up to him and respect him above all other presidents and he has restored dignity to America. Is that not enough for you?
Check the news. That policy has been stoped, but congress still can’t get together to change things. Trump did it.
And another thing.Mr Trump is a deeply pious man who is a deacon in his church. He obeys all ten commandments and his empathy for the poor and suffering is matched only by that of Mother Theresa.He is very careful with the taxpayer’s money and would never fritter away countless hours on the golf course as the previous president has done and he is a very committed steward of our environment and natural rescources. Our enemies,be they China or Russia quiver at the mention of his name. There.
It’s interesting that Jeff Sessions appropriated both the current law and a biblical passage Romans 13:1 to justify the Trump administrations choice to separate children from their parents but if he just read all of Romans it would mess up the entire GOP ideology. There was no existing law that stated separating children, the law was for detaining children who attempted crossing the boarder alone without a parent. This was a leadership decision to gain leverage. Think about that:Our leadership is willing to cause human suffering to push a personal agenda.
Romans 13: 10 Love does no harm to a neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.
Or try:
Romans 13: 6 Pay your taxes, too, for these same reasons. For government workers need to be paid. They are serving God in what they do.
Whoa! Pay your Taxes!
David F… I bet he don’t smoke cigars in the oral office and won’t take the silverware with him when he leaves office.. We are so lucky the he won the last presidential election.
Oh David, you so silly….MAGA!!!!!!
To Mr. Firsching … get a life and start being objective! Who do you think is going to pay the cost of all these illegals that are coming into our country … bringing who knows what diseases with them. Asking for asylum from a dictatorship country is one thing IF you are being persecuted … BUT being “trained and scripted as to what to say” is another. Try this on for reality …
“She’s an American citizen who broke the law.
Her kids were placed in a foster care facility until she got out.
This happens to Americans every day, yet liberals don’t say a word.
But – if you are an illegal, they find this appalling.” (Author unknown)
I thank GOD that President Donald Trump has enough LOVE for America and the courage to take a stand,
regardless of how much flack he gets from the liberals!
I’ve been keeping an eye on the thoughts and sentiments of Gilliland for a number of years now. They have consistently expressed hatred and resentment. That’s OK by me—always good fun—but it’s kind of late for him to come sobbing with compassion, sweet sentiments, and sensitivity.
An immigrant is a legal entity who enters the US with the primary intention of becoming a citizen. It takes a bunch of work and, when he becomes a citizen, he is no longer an immigrant. He’s an American. The US Left likes to call anyone who shows up at our southern border an immigrant, to blur the issue of legality.
The folks in this current kerfuffle (version 342.7) are not immigrants. The best of them are refugees, looking for temporary asylum with the ultimate goal of returning to their home country when conditions improve. Many are migrants, going back and forth for economic purposes. Most of them are illegal aliens who abuse the generosity of our country.
The situation is identical to what obtained in 2014, with one important difference. Back then, the media adored and protected Obama.
I must’ve been drinking the Kool Aid that you recently accused me of recently ,Cap. Funny though,it has a picture of a wild turkey on the label. Speaking of kool aid and by extension,Jim Jones ,I have been to the “People’s Temple” a bunch of times. Years ago I used to “date” a chick in Redwood Valley,CA who was a regional supervisor for the California Conservation Corps. Her office was the former People’s Temple building. It still had gorilla cages and pens for the ” watch peacocks”. Kind of eerie. And mame,don’t you think our president has any of the qualities I attributed to him? Shame on you for being un patriotic!
Hello
I am one of the people who stand in front of the Farmington Post Office on Fridays from noon until 12:30pm. I am speaking for myself in this comment.
We have been standing there each Friday since February 2002, snow, rain, or shine, very hot or very cold.
We stand there for peace for all people, and against violence, including the current violence occurring at the Mexican border.
Today, we added signs protesting the cruel and inhumane treatment of immigrants seeking asylum in this country, especially the cruel separation of children from their parents.
While Trump has stopped this last practice, there still are thousands of children unaccounted for. Will they ever be united with their parents?
Will decent laws to deal with asylum seekers be passed by a Congress at loggerheads with each other?
In Solidarity with thousands across this country and internationally, organized by MoveOn.org, we peacefully will stand in front of the Farmington Post Office on Saturday, June 30th from 10am to 11am.
We invite like-minded people to join on the 30th, and also at our vigil on Fridays.
My hope is that we can keep a large presence at the Friday vigils, standing together, with signs for peace, truth, and compassion until this administration and their enablers no longer have an impact in Washington and the rest of the country.
We have shown that we can endure and be persistent in our Friday vigils at the Post Office and encourage you to join us.
Eileen Liddy
Wilton
Eileen,
Since I work, I had no idea about you guys standing around holding your signs.
I’m curious,, any Republicans in your group?
For diversity…
John Frary: Argumentum ad hominem? Come on, you can do better.
The idea that the Administration would reverse its policy of family separation to show “compassion” but not attempt to return the 2000+ children who have already been taken is simply unacceptable. These kids still need their parents, and should be reunited with them immediately and I believe any caring person would be demanding this.
Diversity
I don’t know if there are Republicans among us. We don’t ask that question.
But I doubt it. Given our long history of standing vigil in front of the Post Office protesting wars and violence, starting with the Reagan administration’s interference in the governments in Central America in the 80’s up to and including the current administration’s actions, I doubt there are Republicans among us.
I suspect that those who knew about us thought that we would stop the vigils after Obama was elected President, but we didn’t.
The wars continued, the violence continued, so we continued.
I don’t recall new, potentially Republican, people joining us during the Obama years though.
Fortunately, the cruelty of separating children from their parents has brought people of different political persuasions together. While this policy has stopped, there is no humane, compassionate, long term solution in sight.
So if this issue concerns you, please join us on the 30th from 10am to 11am in front of the Post Office.
Eileen Liddy
Wilton
JOHN FRARY: -hatred. “You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.”-Inigo Montoya
What happened to your great nobility to call commenters to debate? Instead, you merely come here for the name-calling?
This country been on a long slow path to moral and ethical decline but it was culled into turbo decent a couple years ago. Nothing is greater except for about one percent of the bank accounts in America.
Good for you Eileen. Don’t waste your energy on nameless naysayers.
I really don’t think it is all John’s doing, Bill Reid probably behind most of it!
“The people who sheltered Anne Frank were breaking the law. The people who killed her were obeying the law.”
So much for “illegal” or “legal“…
Eileen
I’m glad you guys don’t ask people in your group if they are Dems, Reps or otherwise.
Without diversity you are just preaching to your own choir, getting kudos from your friends. Accomplishing nothing other than further alienating good folks from each other.
And we wouldn’t want that.
David (or whoever u r ),
Why is it naysaying to ask a question or disagree?
But don’t waste your time answering,,
Eileen, your efforts do nothing but annoy and make uncomfortable people trying to do their daily business. People are smarter than the credit you give; a clogged sidewalk only makes the opposition’s convictions stronger, it certainly doesn’t change anyone’s mind.
I can’t imagine any reason to use the term concentration camp other than to invoke the images where millions of people DIED. It is appalling and insulting to those who died.
These chain link pens, are just that, pens, because we can’t have more criminals running around everywhere. These people enter our country illegally, then the bleeding heart liberals want to roll out the red carpet. There are 48 places where people can cross legally, if people walk up to them seeking asylum, they and their family are taken to a family facility together, while they wait for the asylum judge to hear their case. If they cross illegally and get caught by CBP, they are arrested, because they broke our laws, they are then taken to a detention center. The detention centers and the family centers are two different things. An asylum judge won’t hear the case UNTIL any criminal proceedings are taken care of. Personally, they shouldn’t even be processed, just turned around and sent back across the Rio Grande. How many People is enough? We have 325 million people in America, we can’t even take care of all of our own people, and liberals want to bring in even more. We need a wall, a big one with highly regulated ports of entry, and limit incoming people to so many a month.
She has not only the right but also the responsibility to peacefully assemble to protest injustice as she sees it. She also has the courage to sign her name and show her face. She must have had good parents as did I. I am not blaming you anonymous guys. You didn’t get to choose your parents. Were she to rally for gun rights would you feel the same way?
One more thing. I thought this anonymous thing was a recent phenomonon with so many males being brought up without a father to teach them courage and character but there has always beer the late night phone call with the voice muffled by a handkerchief or the note attached to a rock and thrown through a window….
David Florsheim(sp??)..
What does guns have to do with anything about this article,,or the comments??
I was found under a rock and raised by hippies.
Despite that,, I somehow know better than to make idiotic assumptions about other people. (Gun rights??).
Maybe your parents were on vacation the day you were supposed to be taught about that?
Crappy job of profiling Dave,,Dane,Doug,Who cares.
These so called “liberals”, are horrified to see these “kids” separated from parents yet drool at the idea of ripping a baby from the womb. Ooh your sooooo liberal! Why don’t you admit your not a liberal, your a Marxist Satanist.
That’s the best you got,jaundice of the midsection guy? Making fun of my name? What’s yours?
Florsheim,eh? I’m not about to let some loafer;a heel who was born without a sole step all over me.I’m very straight laced. Now shoo!
Mr Found,I’d like to Converse with you but I’m trying to achieve a New Balance in my life and you seem kind of slippery. The Bulldog should give you the boot for using a sneak name. I hope you don’t have any Keds.
Fortunately, the cruelty of separating children from their parents has brought people of different political persuasions together. While this policy has stopped, there is no humane, compassionate, long term solution in sight.
This paragraph could have been published as-is during the Obama years, until he, too, saw which way the political wind was blowing. Were you folks holding vigil for the children back then?
Citizen kids are separated from their citizen parents, all across the country, every day, when parents are convicted and sent to prison. Do we send the kids to jail to keep the family together? Have you heard a judge say “Oh, you have children? Well, case dismissed. Go forth and sin no more.” Entering the country illegally does not protect the alien from the consequences of his action. Or it shouldn’t.
I thought this anonymous thing was a recent phenomonon with so many males being brought up without a father to teach them courage and character but there has always beer the late night phone call with the voice muffled by a handkerchief or the note attached to a rock and thrown through a window….
Recent? Read some of the essays published in broadsides during the years leading to the Revolutionary War – by many of the founders using pen-names, to avoid physical retaliation for the crime of holding different opinions. Some of those essays were so nasty they make current LTTE writers look like choirboys. Excuse me – choirpersons. (David, why do you believe only guys make abusive calls or throw rocks?)
How much courage does it take to key a car sporting a Trump bumpersticker? How much character is required to harass a government worker and family at home or in a restaurant? The answer to both questions is: None at all. It just requires the false courage and false character of the mob.
Many times, anonymity is just discretion, which is the better part of valor.
“Mike” – Thumbs up to your comment!!
Fortunately, the cruelty of separating children from their parents has brought people of different political persuasions together. While this policy has stopped, there is no humane, compassionate, long term solution in sight.
This paragraph could have been published as-is during the Obama years, until he, too, saw which way the political wind was blowing. Were you folks holding vigil for the children back then?
Citizen kids are separated from their citizen parents, all across the country, every day, when parents are convicted and sent to prison. Do we send the kids to jail to keep the family together? Have you heard a judge say “Oh, you have children? Well, case dismissed. Go forth and sin no more.” It is illegal to cross into the US except at one of many access points, following a few simple rules. Calling yourself an immigrant or refugee, after getting caught, does not absolve you from the consequences of your action.
I thought this anonymous thing was a recent phenomonon with so many males being brought up without a father to teach them courage and character but there has always beer the late night phone call with the voice muffled by a handkerchief or the note attached to a rock and thrown through a window….
Recent? Read some of the essays published in broadsides during the years leading to the Declaration of Independence – by many of the founders using pen-names, to avoid physical retaliation for the crime of holding different opinions. Some of those essays were so nasty they make current LTTE writers look like choirboys.
How much courage does it take to key a car sporting a Trump bumpersticker? How much character is required to harass a government worker and family at home or in a restaurant? The answer to both questions is: None at all. Just the false courage and fake character of the mob. (And why, Firsching, is it only males making those calls and chucking those rocks? What a sexist statement. Women are just as adept as men at boorish behavior. See Maxine Waters)
Many times, anonymity is just discretion, which is the better part of valor.
Spot on frostproof.. On all points.
If David had his way, maybe there would be no voting “booth”,
He fails to understand why we don’t have to publish who we vote for,,, or why.
He might have us announce the names and addresses of our families along with who we voted for.?
All because…he needs to know. ??
Maybe your opinion shouldn’t count until you’ve lived here long enough?
Or your parents are above a certain income bracket?
Or your skin is the correct color?
On and on we could go….
“Why”,, would anyone this information matter…?
It doesn’t….unless you are looking for ways to control or exclude people.
Wel express our opinion in the VOTING BOOTH ANONYMOUSLY ,, to keep the self righteous mobs (you know..the ones with the better parents) in check.
People have a right to their opinion.
Anyone has the right to NOT LISTEN or to Disagree.
But Thats as far as you get to go.
And for very good reasons.
Nunya…..
I was referring to the coward who made fun of my name that was clearly posted here. If you admire that you’re not worth wasting precious summer weather over.
Interesting political points of view here on the issue of separating children from their criminal non citizen parents crossing boarders. I have no issue with the name thing but I do find the irony in all of this.
Frostproof, I thought Trump was president not Obama? There was never a policy that I know of under Obama to put children in camp cages if the parent crosses with them. This was the GOP so please take ownership. In the past year over 500million spent to detain these children at 700$ per night to Trump donor operated prison companies. Even mentioning a tie to Obama is political deflection tactic “What about isms” perfected my Russia defend a defenseless acts of Party in charge. What about this or that, lets talk about right now, Obama is gone, get over it. Take responsibility for your party and the leadership choices they are making.
“Calling yourself an immigrant or refugee, after getting caught, does not absolve you from the consequences of your action.” But separating mother and child in the middle of the night by telling lies that you are cleaning the kid up is legal? Refusing to allow anyone including elected officials to view the conditions of children in a facility run by a private prison service is legal?
I thought Due Process was a part of our constitutional entitlement.
Trying to bypass the judicial branch of our Government isn’t defending the constitution.
The one thing I’ve learned from this situation, especially from your comments about Maxine Waters, is that New Republican are like melting snowflakes so sensitive and wet when it comes to being held to your own standards.
Remember when his supporters were told that anyone who punches non supporters (and some proudly did) would be protected by Mr. Trump or that they should surround them, chanting TRUMP! and then kick them out? Remember when laws changed to allow business to discriminate? Remember twitter… Remember him rating women with numbers, need I say more or should I just “grab em in the …”.
Whenever I hear someone get all offended by people standing up for human rights I remember these terrible things that have allowed some to behave so selfishly and uncivilized. The past two years in this State and Nation our leadership has been nothing but proudly rude and disrespectful to the people of this country.
I’m not sure if you really don’t care but last year the President signed unlimited borrowing against the national debt and huge tax cuts for the top income earners and now we the ND is at 21Trillion. Turns out Mexico isn’t paying for anything and Canada is obviously the easiest target for a bully. Pardon me if I laugh at the call for civility from the brand that has made it’s theme to be uncivil.
I will figuratively use “we” because no matter what this affects us all. We started a trade war and salute North Korean Generals for nothing. While we speak, our leaders are gutting medicare and social security because; why do the wealthy need that when we can throw money at a Space Force. All the while ratchets are thrown in the cogs of a functional government so we are left to argue and try to fix it at the moral cost of others suffering. But there’s a fix for that too, blame it on someone else. Nice work.
Samo you should catch up this has been happening since 1997 when Clinton signed it into law. It was signed by a lot of the dems who are blaming it all on President Trump. Even WABITV 5 reported that it was happening under Obama and I’m pretty sure they are not Fox news affiliated. So before you point all the blame at the present administration you should get your facts straight.
Sorry for the (almost) double post above. I thought the first had been lost. Here are some links to photos of the child detention centers. They’re safe, no porn, … Note the nifty bedclothes in the first one.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/c6a1c1mhtxf5nqn/GettyImages-450883206.jpg?dl=0
https://www.dropbox.com/s/3sf71iam3dxio1c/RTR3UIBF.jpg?dl=0
https://www.dropbox.com/s/8hbtbitlbrlop4r/RTR3UJ9V.jpg?dl=0
https://www.dropbox.com/s/ahb3w9bovd2otz2/RTR3UJA5.jpg?dl=0
https://www.dropbox.com/s/end1g2kwicryksz/RTR3UJAE.jpg?dl=0
These are not current photos, but from 4 to 5 years ago – yes, samo – when Obama was president. If you don’t believe me, I couldn’t care less. If you haven’t seen them before, well, as I said, the media shielded BHO and is still shielding him, while they spend all their time and energy vilifying DJT.
WABI-TV 5 is a CBS affiliate. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WABI-TV
CBS and Fox merged to create VIACOM. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CBS/Fox_Video
Jesse, with all due respect you are second hand passing info that you “think” might be true. This is exactly the the script you are supposed to take. Believe what you want to believe but most likely you saw this in an internet meme directed at misdirection. Send a source for your “proof”. I try to find several sources before deciding if what I read is nearest truth without going to the scene. Can’t be too careful these days unless you are a part of a cult and willing to believe what your leader tells you. Defend this admin all you want but you will have to be accountable for the mess they have made.
The law on the books is to detain children who crossed the boarder alone without parents. The current interpretation and enforcement is a recent thing.
“There is no federal law that stipulates that children and parents be separated at the border, no matter how families entered the United States. An increase in child detainees separated from parents stemmed directly from a change in enforcement policy repeatedly announced by Sessions in April and May 2018, under which adults (with or without children) are criminally prosecuted for attempting to enter the United States:”
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/was-law-separate-families-passed-1997/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social
“Nearly 2,000 children have been separated from their families at the U.S. border over a six-week period during a crackdown on illegal entries, according to Department of Homeland Security figures obtained Friday by The Associated Press.”
https://www.centralmaine.com/2018/06/15/homeland-security-reports-about-2000-children-separated-from-families/
I stand corrected on their affiliation. Either way children was put in “cages” under Obama. “Unaccompanied” or seperated per law that was passed under the only Clinton we will ever see as President. Deny all you want and blame the current administration. I’m just glad we didn’t see all this whining the past eight years by grown adults, it makes me sad to see where our society has headed.
Respectfully, Mr. Sillanpaa. You seem like a reasonable person but what you are saying is merely propaganda from your favorite sources. I listen and watch conservative news and this is the same defensive argument they have when held accountable for the present actions of the current admin. You again assumed that I’m a a member of the opposite party and that blaming Democrats is the answer that will hurt me most. I’m neither Dem or Rep I’m merely really stable genius but most of all I’m an informed voter who can use research and my thinking skills to see through both parties and news stations bs. I do the research and it’s simple to see the ethical and legal issues with the past two months.I have no time or need for the stupidity of bianary politics any more and I somehow don;t think I’m alone in this. Now I’ll be the adult becasue what I hear you saying is “but,but but what about 7 8 15 years ago… and everyone else started it..booger face!.” Fixed mind don’t allow us to grow so try being a little more open when it comes to seeking the truth.
“There is no federal law that stipulates that children and parents be separated at the border, no matter how families entered the United States…” Above source
“Nearly 2,000 children have been separated from their families at the U.S. border over a six-week period during a crackdown on illegal entries…” Above Source
Now Mr. Sessions used Romans 13:1 to defend his decision to carry out these orders but I will leave you with
Romans 13:9 For the commandments, “You shall not commit adultery, You shall not murder, You shall not steal, You shall not covet,” and any other commandment, are summed up in this word: “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”
I love myself so I also love you, Jesse.
“There is no federal law that stipulates that children and parents be separated at the border, no matter how families entered the United States.”
“Nearly 2,000 children have been separated from their families at the U.S. border over a six-week period ”
This is not whining this is what being an adult is about. Speaking up when something is wrong. Your deflection, name calling, lack of ownership of your party decisions, and attempts to blame the current ideology of this administration on the past is the very definition of childish reasoning.
I’m not a Democrat but I do find it funny that in your defensiveness you left out Bush’s stance on caging kids. Show proof that other admin did this and maybe I can see why you insist everyone else did it. Your word based on propaganda is not good enough.
What your saying is that the kids go to jail with their criminal parents? That doesn’t sound legal to me. If we put their criminal parents in jail then they are unaccompanied minors. At least they are being sheltered and fed by the tax payers not just sent back the way perhaps they should so they could come back legally. By the way you don’t know what I use for news sources so don’t assume because we all know how that breaks down. Have a nice day.
Also I don’t resort to name calling , the BD wouldn’t post my comments if I called people names. So instead of paraphrasing my comments you can stick to just reading them and refer to what I said with what I actually said. Also don’t claim to know what party I affiliate with I vote based on the candidate recently I have sat down and had discussions with people running on the D side. Its called Independent.
Thanks, I will have a great day… As for your projections, that’s not what I said at all. Why is it when someone has no facts to back up what they say but all the self-righteous convictions in the world of privilege they then tell you what you are saying in the most subjective and self serving way possible. Fray does this too. Fight or flight when you’re cornered, eh? Jesse, all I’m saying is that you should really look into this more before you fall into line with your party. You have no remedy or subscription for my evidence. Love you anyway. Don’t think too much without researching this yourself or it becomes an angry obsession with the “O”ther . But, you are right, I don’t know what you watch other than the DBD and the conservative radio shows you’ve referenced in past conversations. How could I unless I’m watching everything you do and this is defiantly not my job or concern. I would have to be big G or Santa or Satan or some other mythological creature. I’m just a dude who loves to learn about cultural through dialogue. No one is perfect and I’ve also fallen for the instant reaction thing but I believe old dogs can learn new tricks as I have.
To address your projection: There are actually low risk jails that allow children to stay with parents. Crossing an imaginary line to have a better life for yourself, legal or not, is non violent crime. But as fellow dedicated Father I really think we should be blaming and punishing the Fathers who abandon their children. I mean who leaves all the responsibility of child raising to a Mother who is so at risk of rape, murder, or dv partners and so desperate to risk it all just live without fear? As good men we should speak up and send the troops after them.