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Letter to the Editor: Our job is your health

As medical professionals, our job is your health.

The United States is in the midst of a great challenge. We are dismayed to see how few people mask up in this area, and how difficult it is for retailers and other business owners to enforce this. Protecting each other in stores and other indoor venues is crucial to the public welfare.

We ask the public to pull together and mask up.

We ask all retailers and business owners to offer alternatives like curbside pickup, to the unmasked.

We can beat this. But we need all hands on deck.

We suggest no shoes no shirt no masks no service.

Sincerely,

Jean Antonucci MD
Emily Jacobs DO

Farmington

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  1. So you are part of the same group of racists that disavow a black dr. which is also a legal immigrant to this country that has treated over 350 people in Texas and hasn’t lost a patient yet ? That’s what I figured. Don’t believe anything positive just know that everything that doesn’t fit your narrative must have come from the bad orange man that tweets mean things. Bye now cupcake I will leave you to your ignorance!!

  2. Awww,

    Could you reach any farther? Now I am a racist for not believing a debunked conspiracy theory on social media? Your clown shoes are showing again!

    It's OK, you can take your ball and run along home to mommy when your nonsense gets called out. If your lucky, maybe she will let you play on social media before bed time and you can discover some more super trust worthy information to discuss on the DB! You should probably ask her for a night light so the evil liberals don't get you while you are at it, seems to be your only defense of late.

  3. Laughable when did I ever say that liberals scare me ? The only boogey man is our government and those that follow blindly. You say conspiracy theory yet there has been a number of studies done on hydroxychloroquine yet the only people we are supposed to believe is Fauci and Gates ? The Dr.s that went to the capitol have been hands on in this with real patients and Fauci has been in charge of the CDC since Reagan appointed him in the early 80’s to help find a cure for HIV. Hows he done on that ? Ya not good. Then we have Gates who is a computer “whiz” that refuses to vaccinate his own children and has been documented to say we are over populated and yet is pushing for a vaccine to help “save” us all. They haven’t found a vaccine for any other strain of coronavirus and they doubtfully never will.
    BTW could you answer my questions I asked awhile back ? How is it if China has been wearing masks since the Asian bird flu yet they are still getting Crona and are by some reports already seeing the “second wave” ? O and the folks in the middle east that have been covering their faces probably since the beginning of time are also getting it ? Hmmm seems you should be a little more openminded and do some real research instead of following your tv blindly. Call me a clown all you want at least I’m open minded enough to do some research and make my own decisions from what is out there for info.

  4. Aww,

    The same Dr. you are fawning over, also believes that alien dna is being used in modern medicine, sex with demons in your dreams causes cysts and that a virus is being developed to prevent people from being religious. If that is the type of person you take seriously and put your trust in, so be it, just don't expect others to listen. I will whole heartedly call you a clown when you spout this type of nonsense and add to the problem of misinformation being spread.

    As far as other country's that are much better about wearing face coverings than the US. No one has ever claimed that masks stop the virus cold, they do however dramatically reduce the spread of the virus. There is a reason that they are only seeing small rises in cases that may lead to a second wave and most of our country is doing so incredibly poorly with the first wave. All we needed to do was show some common decency and respect for each other, but clearly fighting about wearing a mask was much easier than being a decent human being.

    It might be time for you to take your own advice and be a little more opened minded and do some research of our own that doesn't involve social media and outlets that are known to push conspiracy theory's. Clearly your current sources are a bit lacking.

  5. Explain to me how a cloth face covering with a mesh size of 0.5 - 0.8 microns 'may stop' a virus that is nanometers in size?

  6. https://www.henryford.com/news/2020/07/hydro-treatment-study
    Heres a link to just one trial done for hydroxychloroquine read it or don’t. If and I say if I get this I will be getting this medical treatment. As an essential worker that has been out in the scary world since this all started and not wearing a mask (health) I have yet to catch the China flu. The group of people I spend time with haven’t gotten it either. We all spend time with our elderly relatives and none of them have gotten it.
    As for you thinking We are selfish for not wearing a mask I find it just as selfish that some people think it’s ok to put my health at risk to make them feel better. Yes it’s the same thing and the people I know that flat out refuse think so as well. I have provided my side of this and unlike what you claim I have done plenty of research online and I read both sides info and apply which one works around what I can see that is obvious.
    I’m done the back and forth with you I have kids and we are going to focus on getting them back to school. Have a great day Laughable.

  7. What's racist is using the fact a debunked conspiracy theorist is black as a way to try to say people who criticize her is racist. Her claims are wildly absurd, and have been utterly and completely debunked. Idiotic conspiracy theories can come from people of all backgrounds.

    Joe - I don't think people are tightening the screws or causing pain. Despite the virus, Maine has re-opened most of the economy, people from nearby states without large outbreaks can visit, and people have learned to live with the new normal. So far, we've had it good in Maine thanks to the precautions. Most pandemics last a couple years, so we will be doing this for awhile, I suspect.

    To the person asking how a mask can work - you can find out that information all over via google, as well as countless studies and experts who say that while imperfect, it is especially helpful in preventing people with the disease from spreading it. In our era everyone thinks they are an expert, and can give one factoid to "prove" their point. In reality, on something like this you look to the science. Our country is uniquely harmed by this virus, we are pitied, and already people are writing the US off - our time as a great power that people looked up to is seen to be over, especially since we seem to think politics beats science. We can turn that around, but only by putting aside partisanism and accepting science - and listening to the experts.

  8. What’s the matter bulldog did my link not fit the narrative? Post my last reply it wasn’t offensive I merely provided a study that showed hydroxychloroquine showed positive results.
    Scott I don’t believe this will last a couple years but time will tell maybe a couple more months about three to be a closer guesstimate. As for the new “normal” I hope we as a country are smarter than that to not put ourselves at the mercy of our government. As we all know the government is not up to par. Lastly before I’m done with this article have any of you worn a gas mask in a gas chamber that wasn’t properly dawned ? Not likely because if you have you would understand what K Masterman is talking about. It will make fluids come rushing from every port of your faces. That’s right even a poorly fitting gas mask won’t protect you from an aerosol and after all that is what we are “trying” to protect ourselves from right ? Not every healthy person should be being treated as the enemy of health.

  9. Well this thread is "informative",,
    Anyone laughing?

    Look away,
    Everything Is Beautiful.

  10. "What's racist is using the fact a debunked conspiracy theorist is black as a way to try to say people who criticize her is racist." We can agree here, Scott Erb.

    However, in this article you chose to address systemic racism by using the fact that the suspect is black. Please explain the difference. http://www.dailybulldog.com/db/features/man-accused-of-threatening-a-family-member-with-a-knife-biting-police-officer/

  11. Google propaganda is clearly partisanism expert science, you know, maybe, possibly, keeping the masses 'safe'.

  12. Scott Erb
    July 29, 2020 • 6:05 pm

    To the person asking how a mask can work - you can find out that information all over via google, as well as countless studies and experts who say that while imperfect, it is especially helpful in preventing people with the disease from spreading it. In our era everyone thinks they are an expert, and can give one factoid to "prove" their point. In reality, on something like this you look to the science. Our country is uniquely harmed by this virus, we are pitied, and already people are writing the US off - our time as a great power that people looked up to is seen to be over, especially since we seem to think politics beats science. We can turn that around, but only by putting aside partisanism and accepting science - and listening to the experts.

    These studies do not exist, the best study out there was from 1930s...It may make you feel better, safer, even feel as though your being a better person but none of this equates to masks doing any good whatsoever.

    Thanks to science and experts I know Bill Nye cant blow out candles while wearing masks, I know that spit wont pass the mask (although I always limited my exposure to people who spit on me anyway). None of this science has any basis in reality or in fact and is mostly a political thing at this point.

    Laughable
    July 29, 2020 • 12:03 pm

    As far as other country's that are much better about wearing face coverings than the US. No one has ever claimed that masks stop the virus cold, they do however dramatically reduce the spread of the virus.

    You state this as a matter of fact, must be some proof that a mask helps right?!?!? I mean you wouldn't say something as a matter of fact without proof, right?!?!?

  13. Awww,

    I have stated my opinion as well, It's just as valid as yours, after doing my own research on the subject that doesn't involve social media and conspiracy outlets as sources of info.

    I sincerely wish you good luck with the kids this school year along with the game of Russian roulette you are playing with your circle of friends and elderly acquaintances.

    I will see you on the next article! Enjoy your day.

  14. K MAsterman- masks work in more than one way. Multilayer simple cloth mask do physically trap particles. The virus it not always free floating on its own but is in droplets of mucus so those can be trapped The N 95 masks trap particles based on hydro static forces:) Please don't make me explain that! But the more particles they catch the better they work I was told ( so why can'tthey be re used you would ask ?? I think becasue they get contaminated on the outside, get dirty ,lose their fit etc Or the elastic breaks. Mine was tied on and re made many times til I got a second one.)
    Multilayer fabric or paper masks may have fibers that are in different directions and this is exactly I understand how N 95s are made
    I am not an expert
    and no thing is perfect But masks are simple cheap and can be worn by most anyone even though we do not like them, and they do help alot.
    Your nurses and doctors have worn them for years.
    The virus does not care what we like or what we believe
    we need to lick this thing, so we need to do every thing we can do
    Be well folks.

  15. ...and I would like to publicly thank and acknowledge Judy Adams , Dr Deb Hamilton's mom, who has made over 1,000!! masks for the community Go Judy! Go Deb- who brings them to me.

  16. Pure,

    The numerous studies confirming masks effectiveness are more than enough proof for me. Pretty easy to research this from trusted sources if you so desire.

  17. Laughable
    July 30, 2020 • 11:14 am
    Pure,

    The numerous studies confirming masks effectiveness are more than enough proof for me. Pretty easy to research this from trusted sources if you so desire

    And this study is found where? I’ve seen absolutely zero actual study done, again the 1930 study is only legitimate peer reviewed study I have seen to date, many problems with it but end of day mask effectiveness was left in doubt.

    Don’t hate me because I want facts to back up claims...

    Jean Antonucci MD
    Your nurses and doctors have worn them for years.

    And never in all those Years have they been worn to prevent doctor to patient virus transmission.

  18. Pure,

    I am not doing the leg work for you, I am sure you are quite capable of looking for yourself. I will say that there have been multiples released on a almost weekly basis for some time now both disproving adverse effects of wearing them and their effectiveness at reducing transmission.

  19. The covid virus marks the first time in the history of medicine that the bureaucrats in Washington D.C. have mandated policies to publicly quarentine the healthy population of hardworking taxpaying Americans to lockdown our country and her vital services and productivity.

    There are available early onset treatments for those testing positve with good results. Isolate and quarentine and treat our sick appropriately. Continue excellent personal hygiene among all citizens.

    There have been no reported incidents of childern passing this flu to teachers anywhere in the world.

    Are you concerned about living in an indefinite state of emergency ( non-standardized ) cloth face covering MANDATES and the 'new normal' ?

  20. Laughable
    July 30, 2020 • 12:29 pm
    Pure,

    I am not doing the leg work for you, I am sure you are quite capable of looking for yourself. I will say that there have been multiples released on a almost weekly basis for some time now both disproving adverse effects of wearing them and their effectiveness at reducing transmission.

    Im sorry but Bill Nyes inability to blow out a candle is not a scientific study of mask effectiveness, There are none that say what you contend or want them to say.

    Your the one wanting to mandate the wearing of a mask, I would think the least you could do is prove them to be helpful...

    This deny the ability to buy/sell/trade goods unless I wear a mask on my face with NO Science to actually back up the reason for wearing said mask is a very odd stance I think....

  21. Pure,

    What is your obsession with Bill Nye? He has nothing to do with the studies that have been released.

    A quick search of "mask effectiveness study" would be a good place to start if you are really interested in educating yourself, providing you don't simply want to stir the pot by denying what the vast majority of health experts are saying.

    I will ask a simple question: What do you have to lose by wearing a mask? Best case it slow's down the spread of the virus, worse case you are in the same place as not wearing one. There is absolutely nothing to be gained by refusing to wear a mask other than spreading the virus and causing more economic struggles. Not a great end game.

  22. Pure - your disregard of science and false belief that it's an attack on freedom to have to wear a mask shows that you don't care about your community, and don't mind the 150,000 dead - likely to reach as much as the Spanish flu - over 675,000 dead - if people like you keep ignoring reality. Herman Cain went to Trump's Tulsa rally without a mask and now he's dead of COVID. And schools have spread COVID, a claim they don't is simply wrong. Sigh. So much ignorance, all just to avoid the inconvenience of caring for the community and protecting lives. Ignorance.

  23. Scott Erb, so from your comment Mr. Cain would still be alive if he had worn a mask to protect himself?
    I could have sworn I read an article a few weeks back about the UMF opening up and you supporting that.
    Are you now supporting keeping schools closed?
    If public schools were closed for a year just think of the can of worms that would open. ( my opinion is to keep the schools closed, a perfect time to restructure the entire public education system. )

    I wear a mask when I go out in public, which is very seldom. When I am out the largest group of people I see without masks is the below 30 age. ( not a scientific poll, just my observation ) and I thought Mr. Erb said our young people were going to save us all.
    Maybe if we call them an " imask " and they cost 800$ with designer holes in them we can get young people to wear them.

  24. I wear a mask because I'm erring on the side of caution.
    I hate the damn thing and am NOT convinced we're doing the right thing but, (as I said) I'm erring on the side of caution.
    I would encourage everyone to do the same.

    What I am convinced of is this is political by many.
    Usually the ones who feel the need to name call and berate people who disagree with them.
    I've read comments from these same name callers in the past on here that "you name call when you are a "little man" or you dont have a valid argument".
    Is this true or not?

    Care about others.

    Everything Is Beautiful.

  25. Laughable
    July 30, 2020 • 5:55 pm
    Pure,

    What is your obsession with Bill Nye? He has nothing to do with the studies that have been released.

    A quick search of "mask effectiveness study" would be a good place to start if you are really interested in educating yourself, providing you don't simply want to stir the pot by denying what the vast majority of health experts are saying.

    I will ask a simple question: What do you have to lose by wearing a mask? Best case it slow's down the spread of the virus, worse case you are in the same place as not wearing one. There is absolutely nothing to be gained by refusing to wear a mask other than spreading the virus and causing more economic struggles. Not a great end game.

    Have you read the "mask effectiveness study"? I have and I will again say to you- there is no proof whatsoever that a mask does anything for preventing virus transmission (other than become political tool and make you feel good apparently).

    Im not trying to make you not wear a mask therefore I have nothing to prove, however if you want to force others to do this you better make sure you can prove what your saying.

    As to your question- If you have to ask than im afraid I would just waste a lot of time explaining what we have to lose by allowing politicians and mob rule dictate us wearing a napkin on our face- Just so no one has to admit that destroying an economy and the death that will follow that was a huge mistake.

    Scott Erb
    July 30, 2020 • 7:26 pm
    Pure - your disregard of science and false belief that it's an attack on freedom to have to wear a mask shows that you don't care about your community, and don't mind the 150,000 dead - likely to reach as much as the Spanish flu - over 675,000 dead - if people like you keep ignoring reality. Herman Cain went to Trump's Tulsa rally without a mask and now he's dead of COVID. And schools have spread COVID, a claim they don't is simply wrong. Sigh. So much ignorance, all just to avoid the inconvenience of caring for the community and protecting lives. Ignorance.

    Did I insinuate it was an attack on freedom? I think I simply asked for proof that it works, we have been dealing with viruses for a long time...If this was effective as a strategy then there should be at least a few studies done on effectiveness right?

    So my demanding proof before doing what people say is my not caring about my community...wow quite a stretch Scott, but does go inline with people whom wear them feeling as there saving millions of lives, even though science says they dont help.

    Heros each and every one of you!

    By the way, why dont you dig into states numbers on deaths and realize that 2/3rds? of those deaths are from 3 states and that deaths began to flat line long before you wanted a mask mandate. Ahh...Nevermind that might make you feel less heroic.

    Private Planet
    July 31, 2020 • 6:23 am
    I wear a mask because I'm erring on the side of caution.
    I hate the damn thing and am NOT convinced we're doing the right thing but, (as I said) I'm erring on the side of caution.
    I would encourage everyone to do the same.

    What I am convinced of is this is political by many.
    Usually the ones who feel the need to name call and berate people who disagree with them.
    I've read comments from these same name callers in the past on here that "you name call when you are a "little man" or you dont have a valid argument".
    Is this true or not?

    Care about others.

    Everything Is Beautiful.

    Understood but Do realize two things, First if you stop driving you have a greater chance of saving or not killing someone than you do by wearing a mask. Second- Where does this end? When were told no one else will get sick? Never?

  26. Billyjoebob, I cant wait to hear Scott Erb response to not open schools. I agree wholeheartedly that this is the time to restructure the entire school system that has gone rogue with 1 million dollars a year or more in increases.

  27. Pure,

    If the words of experts are not enough to sway you, nothing I can say will either. I am thankful we have someone so well educated in our local community to tell us that all the trained medical professionals are wrong about mask effectiveness.

    The fact that you are so afraid of wearing a mask because professionals and politicians alike agree on there effectiveness and think it is some big social control experiment speaks volumes about your state of mind and ability to make logical judgment calls. Good luck with that.

  28. Laughable
    July 31, 2020 • 11:26 am

    Took a lot of words to say you have no proof of effectiveness and will gladly be a pawn in any farce that can be imagined. Good luck with that, check out the history channel for a sneak peek of how this stuff ends.

  29. Well, Pure, THANK YOU for showing how informed you are. You said 2/3 of the deaths are from three states. That shows your level of knowledge, you believe that. We have right now 152,074 deaths. Two thirds of that would be just over 100,000 - we can round it out to that. Let's go through the states and their death totals. New York is most with 32,683, New Years, 15,809, then California, 9,032. Now that's a total of 57,524. Not to 2/3 yet! Next is Mass with 8580, Illinois with 7670, then 7194. Six states = 80,968. Not to 2/3 yet. OK, to continue, Florida 6486, Michigan 6443, Texas 6442. Nine states with 100,339. That's about 2/3. You say deaths have flat lined. They flat lined a few weeks ago, but have been rising since, with California, Texas and Florida setting records. Clearly, you do not know what's going on. Maybe you hear some pundit with propaganda and believe it, but you are not keeping up with the data! That says a lot about how seriously one should take your argument.

    And let's see, experts the world over say masks help. Even Dr. Brix has cited studies that they can not only prevent you from spreading it, but it can protect you. Global experts all agree, even the President said so. But some how, you think that's not enough. You want "proof" to whatever bizarre level of satisfaction you need. That is absurd on its face. Seriously, Pure, you need to look into this more - your pre-conceived notions are clearly false.

  30. Actually I think Private Planet has the right attitude here. Be skeptical. But err on the side of caution. Masks probably aren't needed outdoors - unless you're in a crowd (I'd avoid things like crowded beaches, protests, or political rallies). Indoors shopping wear them, other indoor situations use common sense based on the number of people and level of social distancing. Common sense. I wouldn't isolate kids from other kids, but avoid large numbers. It's a balance of various concerns. And one reason I wear mine is to show respect for essential workers, many of whom are low paid and high risk. If it reduce their stress to see people wearing masks (which they usually have to do for hours on end), then that's a good thing.

  31. Scott Erb
    July 31, 2020 • 1:32 pm
    Well, Pure, THANK YOU for showing how informed you are. You said 2/3 of the deaths are from three states. That shows your level of knowledge, you believe that. We have right now 152,074 deaths. Two thirds of that would be just over 100,000 - we can round it out to that. Let's go through the states and their death totals. New York is most with 32,683, New Years, 15,809, then California, 9,032. Now that's a total of 57,524. Not to 2/3 yet! Next is Mass with 8580, Illinois with 7670, then 7194. Six states = 80,968. Not to 2/3 yet. OK, to continue, Florida 6486, Michigan 6443, Texas 6442. Nine states with 100,339. That's about 2/3. You say deaths have flat lined. They flat lined a few weeks ago, but have been rising since, with California, Texas and Florida setting records. Clearly, you do not know what's going on. Maybe you hear some pundit with propaganda and believe it, but you are not keeping up with the data! That says a lot about how seriously one should take your argument.

    And let's see, experts the world over say masks help. Even Dr. Brix has cited studies that they can not only prevent you from spreading it, but it can protect you. Global experts all agree, even the President said so. But some how, you think that's not enough. You want "proof" to whatever bizarre level of satisfaction you need. That is absurd on its face. Seriously, Pure, you need to look into this more - your pre-conceived notions are clearly false.

    Scott, the ? After 2/3rds was meant to signify that it was an approximation done from top of my head, I will try to clearly spell it out for you next time. I would also like you to realize the numbers were talking include death WITH Covid as well as cases where Covid was actual cause.

    The only proof I have asked for and you find bizarre is proof that in all the time we have dealt with viruses that Masks help someone (general public) not get sick or prevent the spread of illness, that’s the bizarre proof you find so troubling.

    Would you happen to READ any of these cited studies? Because none of them-that would be zero say what you either think they say or pretend that they say or wish they said.

  32. Pure,

    You might want to loosen your tin foil hat, you are starting to sound just as bad as Awww with your belief in conspiracy theory's.

    Coincidentally thanks for being a perfect example of being a pawn in a farce. There is no better example than being foolish enough to fall for conspiracy theory's instead of listening to educated and trained individuals who have made the study of these things their life's work.

    See you on the next article!

  33. You are wrong if you think the deaths are not all COVID. Indeed, statistically other causes are causing more death than usual, so most experts are convinced we are undercounting COVID deaths, maybe by 30,000. Trying to pretend the number is not real is lame.

    As for the 2/3. I know why you said that. At one point that was a right wing talking about, the more cases don't matter, deaths were focused. But now every day it'll take more states to reach 2/3 because the virus is spreading and the deaths are increasing. 1400 dead yesterday, far more than the 300 - 400 in early June. That is evidence how the disease is spreading. The original three states that once made 2/3 of the deaths are every day a decreasing share as they are not experiencing many deaths at all, while the south and west is now where the virus is most virulent. The estimate now is for about 230,000 dead by November.

    If you want to ignore all the evidence and recommendations about masks, then you can. You must know you are in a minority on this. And you presumably are a smart enough person to know that you (like me) are fallible. Each of us could be wrong, each of us could be right. In a case like this, even if I totally thought masks were useless, I'd say "well, globally so many experts say it'll help. Gee, as a fallible human they might tbe right, I might be wrong. I'll wear one in stores and in public just in case." I'd also note that it would be a courteous thing to do since many essential workers are also high risk. I actually have read quite a bit about the studies on masks, and while they aren't perfect, they do make it less likely you'll transmit the virus (many will be stopped or slowed) . After all, would all these experts world wide recommend it if there were no evidence? They're not dumb, they wouldn't want people to mask for no reason. But sure, perhaps the experts are wrong and you're right. But you're fallible and perhaps you're wrong. At least take that into account. It's not much effort (I have masks with my favorite sports teams so they're fun to wear).

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