As medical professionals, our job is your health.
The United States is in the midst of a great challenge. We are dismayed to see how few people mask up in this area, and how difficult it is for retailers and other business owners to enforce this. Protecting each other in stores and other indoor venues is crucial to the public welfare.
We ask the public to pull together and mask up.
We ask all retailers and business owners to offer alternatives like curbside pickup, to the unmasked.
We can beat this. But we need all hands on deck.
We suggest no shoes no shirt no masks no service.
Sincerely,
Jean Antonucci MD
Emily Jacobs DO
Farmington
Thank you Dr. Antonucci and Dr. Jacobs.
This letter was also signed by Ryan Whitt MD and Gabe Civiello MD, but those signatures were received too late for publication
Remind me again how many active cases there are in Franklin county. I’ll take my chances.
Can the Dr.s who wrote this please cite the CDC and the Governors mandate for masks regarding exemptions of masks ? I read that people with Asthma, COPD, Anxiety, Claustrophobia etc. are exempt. These people and others with disabilities should not be denied any services. Curbside doesn’t work for some people. Not to mention a 99.7% survival rate. I for one am tired of being looked at like a monster because of my disability and the next person to “mask shame” me will get an ear full. If you are scared of something stay home don’t yell at people when you don’t know their circumstances.
Thank you. It’s so depressing to see how many people there are out there who literally don’t care if they kill someone. Every single place currently experiencing an outbreak once had no real problem — until they did. If your plan is to not take this seriously until it’s a big problem, it will be too late.
Awww, Maine: 3737 cases, 118 deaths
. US: 4.11 million cases, 146k deaths
global: 15.4 million cases, 632k deaths,
Can you explain your 99.7% survival rate.
I agree with Nerf. I’m all done wearing one. It should be your right not a dictator telling what you have to do.
Pretty simple folks.
You don’t have the “right” to take your chances, when taking your chances could result in you being directly responsible for spreading the virus and causing someone’s death. It amazes me that people get upset when called out on actions like this. Of course you will be called out for displaying that level of selfishness.
Have a legitimate reason not to wear a mask? You then have a legitimate reason not to enter business and put others at risk. You do not have a legitimate reasons to put others at risk because of your own health issues.
At what point did the minor inconvenience of a mask become worse than someone’s death? Whats the end game? More death and economic hardship? I’m sure Texas, Florida, California etc are all right there with you!
Let’s all try to understand where these doctors are coming from. If they were to say frankly that the mask doesn’t do much for you, and you can go without, they would be fired from their jobs, blacklisted from all future employment, have all their social media accounts cancelled by the big California corporations that control most of our information, maybe even their bank accounts, too, and would even probably have death threats made against their families. They’re writing this letter with a proverbial gun to their heads. If it were a video, their lips would be saying “wear the mask” but their eyelids might be blinking S-O-S…
Laughable, well said.
Wally,
You know what I hate being dictated to do is have my headlights on at night. They’re my headlights. No one should tell me whether or not to turn them on when it’s dark. I own them! If sheeple want to turn their headlights on when their driving then they can do it. It’s not my responsibility to make sure they stay alive. They should look out for me. I for one don’t want a dictator telling me when I can or cannot use my headlights!
I hope you get my sarcasm.
I should have wrote 98.7% this link shows a 1.3% death rate so reverse that and you have your survival rate. I don’t expect anyone here to find it credible but I don’t really care at this point. https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-05-covid-death.html
Laughable how does any disability I listed put you or anyone else at risk ? If people have symptoms they know to stay home and nothing I listed are contagious so maybe you should get off your high horse and stop acting like a child screaming about it.
If the “professionals” ie. Fauci a government troll and Gates a computer geek with ZERO medical training told you people that chinaflu was spread by farts you would all have to wear butt plugs would you still do it ? I can only assume many of you would be walking around funny.
Dr Jacobs and I see this as a public health measure not something political or personal. It is what needs to be done to contain this virus . Masks are something we do for each other as well as for ourselves. Dr Nirav Shah from the state CDC has said that we mask to show humility and concern and consideration for others.
It is known that masks do a good job in preventing spread. If someone has so much trouble breathing that they cannot wear a mask, they should probably not be out and about becasue they are at high risk of serious illness if they do contract this virus
This is all difficult and new to al l We just want a healthy community.
Here are some references someone asked for
: https://jamanetwork.com/channels/health-forum/fullarticle/2768376
which says-
masking cannot replace social distancing, and avoidance of indoor spaces should remain our medical recommendation, particularly for individuals who cannot tolerate a mask or do not desire to wear one for any reason.
Clinicians have no obligation to provide a mask exemption to patients if it is not medically warranted. They do have a clear obligation to address individual patients’ concerns, discuss appropriate alternatives, and offer clear recommendations for risk-reducing measures when patients are venturing into the public sphere.
https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2020/p0714-americans-to-wear-masks.html
The sheeple have spoken.
Either wear the mask or prepare yourself for an angry mob at your doorstep…
Oh , and they’ll say it’s racist not to wear a mask.
That’s the new normal.
But,, I actually wear one so,,,
put the stupid thing on and save a snowflake.
Plus your neighbors won’t have to be nervous about that angry mob in your neighborhood.
Wear It!!
Sorry about all the names,,
I’m a victim of a disease and it’s not my fault.
Everything Is Beautiful.
Sometimes I wish a few would drive with their headlights off. They can’t seem to get that they are blinding oncoming traffic. High beams on? Poor adjustment? Illegal bulbs? Kind of like people that think just because they are complying by wearing a mask, it is hanging down their face, grubby hands all over it, made from material that looks like it came from a sail on the Mayflower. Sure, I get it. I avoid people like the…. plague, even if they are wearing a mask.
I tried to reply HB but the bulldog must have not like my comment with the link provided. Maybe it was the reference of the china flu being spread by farts and the ultimatum you folks would have to walk around with.
Aww:
Here’s a good summary of the ADA as applied to masks.
https://www.adasoutheast.org/ada/publications/legal/ada-and-face-mask-policies.php#examplesRM
You are correct in that there are legitimate reasons why a disabled individual cannot wear a mask (asthma, PTSD, autism). There is also a valid public health reason why indoor public businesses should have a “No Mask, No Entry” policy.
Therefore, “state and local government agencies and private businesses must consider reasonable modifications to a face mask policy so that the person with the disability can participate in, or benefit from, the programs offered or goods and services that are provided”
That said, if curbside pickup, or other attempted reasonable modifications are not acceptable, you may be SOL in spite of your disability. In a pandemic, the undue burden, fundamental alteration, and direct threat exceptions to any reasonable modifications may definitely apply.
Cheers.
To address government policy on the ADA and COVID-19:
“The ADA does not provide a blanket exemption to people with disabilities from complying with legitimate safety requirements necessary for safe operations,” the Department of Justice Department, which helps enforce the ADA, said in a June 30 press release.
Enforcement of the ADA will continue amid the pandemic, but also underscore the ADA’s caveat that a disabled person’s request cannot cause “undue hardship” to the employer or fundamentally change the overall operation.”
In other words, your disability does not trump the safety and well-being of others.
I don’t see why some are so defensive about public health. If we want public life and economic return we just need to deal with this like the rest of the world and it will be over. I have a suppressed
Immune system and will for life so When I see employees wearing a mask at stores I thank them weather they “believe” it’s good or not. I personally don’t shame people who don’t “want” to wear them but I do avoid them. I understand the basic science behind germs and community spread illness so I’ve always been cautious and a hand washer.
Awww: you’ve made your choices and opinion known, it’s clear you do it your way and need to get over it. I would suggest expanding your research skills and use multiple sources to cross reference studies vs talk radio and private you tube rants. Lots of dangerous dis information out there and your comments seem to repeat the use of specific language these disrupters are using. That and the matter of fact statements you put out as if we are the dumb ones and yet, you provide no legitimate sources. Anyway, have a good day save and your energy I will not be back to read a reply. .
Aww, there was no screaming. If being considerate of others is a high horse, I guess it’s clear where you stand. If you can’t wear a mask, but choose to enter buisness, you put others at risk every single time. This virus is spread before most are aware they have it, hence the need for a mask. Now how about you stop acting like a child and take some responsability for your own actions and stop putting others at risk, it’s common decency for crying out loud.
Dear skeptics,
When you get colon cancer, or when you get breast cancer, you go to the doctors and you do as they suggest. Often it works and you live. I got skin cancer of the worst kind. I did as the doctors told me and I live.
If you trust Dr. X and Dr. Y to treat you for cancer or heart disease or diabetes then for the love of your relatives and neighbors trust them to advise us all on this health threat, too. Same medical people. Same basic training, same caring attitude.
On the other hand, If you feel your “rights” are being violated feel free to check the Declaration of Independence and the United States Constitution. I did, and I find nothing about you or anyone else having rights that let anyone become infected and then spread any disease thru your own selfishness and obstinance. You might as well not visit the Doctors when you get any other illness, since you don’t trust them to have your best health interest in mind. Save on hospital bed space needed for those infected with covid by sceptics like you. I wear a mask. I read the Constitution. Pull your head out and get a breath of oxygen laden air. IT will help you think clearer.
Thank you Jean and Emily and welcome to Farmington Emily. The simple fact is that masks decrease both the risk of transmitting COVID-19 to others and, to a lesser degree, decreases the risk of becoming infected yourself. It should be an apolitical norm because it works, it’s cheap, and it’s risk free. More people are wearing masks lately because the stores, not the Governor, aren’t letting them in without one.
Joe, there are few genuinely good and honest people left in this World, I believe Dr Antonucci is one of them. I agree many doctors are brainwashed/strong-armed/bought by the powers that be, but I think you’re wrong to include her in that group.
I’m frustrated that this is still happening after following the recommendations, but not everyone is so we have no way of knowing if masks actually work. Now the “can’t make me wear a mask” crowd has stood firm and the Governor said “you’re right, but I can make kids” and soon she’ll say “I can force you to get a vaccine with no way of knowing the long term effects”.
That being said, anger and shaming of those not wearing a mask is not always justified. If I have been in total isolation for 2+ weeks with no symptoms and pop into a store for 3 minutes without a face mask, I am no threat to you. Some people who have difficulty wearing a mask are practicing this. I know the social butterflies can’t understand that but it is possible.
Maybe redirect your anger towards those traveling to and from high risk areas because they’re bored.
The world has way too many rules that go overboard and quite frankly hurts our freedom. Such as seatbelts
Should be our choice to wear them !!! Masks… our choice. Smoking has turned way out of control. What happened to designated smoking areas? Nope took them away and said no smoking on grounds period. I’m not a smoker but don’t like the mandates of such things. Just more and more of our freedom going away.
my take,
I agree with your last statement,
“In other words, your disability does not trump the safety and well-being of others.”.
Seems like a “no” brainer actually…
That’s my opinion.
I’m starting a social justice “movement”
It’s the “AWOA”,, Americans With Opinions Act.
It makes it a crime to MOB UP or discriminate against an American who “lawfully” disagrees with you.
Wait,, what’s the 1st amendment do already?
I better check….
Oh here it is “in a nutshell”,
“Your opinion does not trump the thoughts and opinions of others”.
Man,,, these annoying little “laws” keep getting in their way (no wonder they become anarchists so they can do whatever “they” want”.. with no consequences.
(Speaking of No Consequences,
Hows Old Uncle Joe these days,,, lol).
In Life,
Everything Is Beautiful.
In my opinion Dr. Shah is a good man giving good simple advise. Its to bad we can not keep it just as simple.
My take thank you I will look into that. I have not heard this statement yet and if that is the case I will take my disability and money where this ridiculous fear mongering isn’t followed.
Laughable did you find any way to catch Claustrophobia or any other illness I listed ?
I can see if a person with asthma or copd may wear a mask and compromise their breathing for a short time to grab a few things from a business but anyone reading this that has anxiety or claustrophobia knows how fast you can start to feel your body start to react to a situation.
It’s truly eye opening to see how people claim to be PC and “tolerant” until they are scared of something and then they start name calling and lashing out at people. It’s called a HYPOCRITE!!! Feel free to mind your own business and those of us that walk around without a mask so we don’t have an outburst from being confined or causing an anxiety attack or maybe even a flashback from PTSD will do the same.
Aww,
Its pretty simple, If you have a legitimate reason that you can not wear a mask then you also have a legitimate reason to avoid putting others at risk…curbside, online orders etc. Just because someone has a medical condition, does not mean they have the right to put others at risk. I’m really not sure why this is a struggle for you to comprehend such a basic idea. Maybe if you spent less time thinking of yourself and more time being a considerate human being it would not be so hard for you to grasp.
PP, I’ll sign on to your AWOA, but I can’t use my real name. I’ll get doxxed.
@Awww – You speak of people being “scared of something”. As a matter of fact, the things you mention as reasons for not masking – anxiety, claustrophobia, and PTSD – are, by definition, mental health conditions involving irrational fears. The way I see it, if being scared keeps people from masking, they are the ones who should stay out of enclosed public areas. While society can and should feel compassion for anyone whose life is limited by fear, that does not mean people should take chances with their own physical health, and the health of our very society, in order to accommodate those whose fears keep them from following health guidelines. Keeping its members as safe as possible from contagious diseases IS the business of civilized society.
As far as those with severe asthma, COPD and other respiratory conditions, if one’s health is so fragile that a mask cannot be worn while in a store, it’s likely a medical professional would advise that person to stay out of enclosed public areas in order to avoid the risk of contracting Covid-19 or any respiratory illness that could prove fatal.
Well, you could wear a mask out of respect for others….
I wear mine out of respect for my elderly mother who is at high risk.
I wear mine out of respect for my sister who is a PA in an emergency department and at risk.
I wear mine out of respect for my friend who is a renal transplant patient and we work closely together.
I wear mine out of respect for my friends in our local hospital and office – who are at risk.
And, I wear mine out of respect for YOU – whether you wear a mask or not.
Don’t do it because someone else told you to – wear it out of respect for yourself, your family, your friends.
In America we have the freedom of speech; however, there are laws that limit this right. We can have any opinion we want; however, there are limits to being able to act on those opinions.
Freedom of speech does not allow a person to threaten or harass someone else. Comments made online are no exception. This is the law. While it may be inconvenient to some, it protects people. There are many people who have the opinion that people who don’t like the laws in the US should simply move to another country. That is okay and legal. If one of those people act on that opinion and start kidnapping those they feel should leave this country to send them over the border, they have then committed a crime.
How about drunk driving? If a person has the opinion that it is okay to drink and drive, no problem. Having an opinion is not a crime. If that same person drinks and drives it is a crime. Our laws exist to protect personal freedom, except where those freedoms put another person at risk.
I encourage everyone to think about how they would feel if one of their loved ones could not wear a mask and contracted COVID-19 and died because people felt their rights were being violated and those people chose not to wear a mask. Would you feel that the people who spread the disease because of a personal belief be at fault for the death of another? If they were a drunk driver they would be charged. Why is spreading COVID-19 not the same?
I for one chose to wear a mask.
Tim & TJ, thank you for being a shining example rather than a pointing finger. Catch more flies with honey, right?
It seems like the greatest opposition to masks is from those who say it’s about compliance when it really should be about compromise. Reminds me of a sign at a former coworker’s desk “I don’t wanna, I don’t hafta, I ain’t gonna & you can’t make me. But I will if you ask me nicely.”
Everything I need to know I learned in kindergarten. What would your kindergarten teacher say? I believe mine would’ve suggested we each come up with a solution and take turns trying them. The doctor’s suggest masks, you say no. Okay I’m listening, what’s your solution? Remember, the clock is ticking.
I’m all for wearing a mask, however if your job is for my health then please explain the following.
Opioid manufacturers are paying U.S. doctors huge sums of money for speaking, consulting, and other services—and the more opioids a doctor prescribes, the more money he or she gets paid by those same manufacturers, according to a new analysis from Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health, Harvard Medical School (HMS), and CNN.
The study found that, in 2014 and 2015, opioid manufacturers paid hundreds of doctors sums in the six figures, while thousands more were paid over $25,000.
How many people have died due to overdoses from opiates or were addicted and moved on to heroin or other drugs?
Prescriptions for my health ?
To all the whiners about wearing masks: Sure, it’s uncomfortable. We do it to show respect and, as medical professionals all say, to save other people’s lives. If women can wear bras all day, you can wear a mask.
I agree that the actions of the opioid manufacturers and the doctors who they paid to promote their drugs were despicable but neither Jean, Emily, Ryan, Gabe, Tim, nor I ever took a penny from them. The opioid crisis does not take away from the fact that wearing a mask is the right thing to do for all the reasons that Tim so eloquently named.
Tim Davis,
You are exactly right.
Very well put indeed.
Wear the mask because of others.
All lives matter so do it for them.
Please.
Thank You.
Everything Is Beautiful.
Laughable writes “Its pretty simple, If you have a legitimate reason that you can not wear a mask then you also have a legitimate reason to avoid putting others at risk…curbside, online orders etc. Just because someone has a medical condition, does not mean they have the right to put others at risk. I’m really not sure why this is a struggle for you to comprehend such a basic idea. Maybe if you spent less time thinking of yourself and more time being a considerate human being it would not be so hard for you to grasp.”
This is a perfect example of being a hypocrite!! I and others should put my physical, mental health at risk so their selfish inconsiderate selves can be safe. It’s all about me me me screw everyone else because my tv said a mask will keep me safe.
I assume some of you on here and in public bashing people like me are the same ones that only listen to the tv and letter to the editor instead of reading the governors mandate or the CDC website. Masks are being recommended for use when social distancing isn’t possible. That means you don’t need one on while driving. You also don’t need to wear one while walking the family dog. BTW did any of you see Dr. Fauci (your hero) at the baseball game the other night sitting directly next too two people ? No mask the woman beside him had hers hanging from one ear and no social distancing period. Maybe it’s only us little folk that are at risk not him a “professional” that has been part of the government for 40+ yrs.
One more thing can anyone explain how the people from the middle east are getting sick from the China flu ? They have been wearing face coverings for decades (not all but a majority) and the fine communists from China have been wearing the same masks (you folks are buying that are made in the same country that gave us this “virus”) since the avian bird flu out break and yet they are still sick. So how do these actually help or is it more to make you feel good because the tv told you it will ?
Remember anyone that has a legitimate reason to not wear one or the people that simply refuse you are the ones responsible to make everyone else feel safe their is no personal responsibility anymore it is always someone else’s fault now.
My take you speak of these conditions of a type of fear yet you may not understand the difference in your reference. Our conditions are caused by something that may or may not be fixable you can fix yours by doing some independent research and not just buying into the puppets on your tell you a vision. Ours are caused by traumatic experiences which sometimes can be fixed by therapy sometimes they can never be fixed and people learn how to live with it on a daily basis.
Like I said before you folks do you just be cautious who you start yelling at for not having one on they may just give you a piece of their mind right back and hurt your feelings. This whole respect for one another doesn’t mean everyone follows suit of what you want. Kind of like how not all poc are not following suit with BLM and the SJW that are burning and looting these cities. Some folks would like to wear a mask but their condition won’t allow them too and they don’t need you folks belittling them for it. Have a great rest of the weekend.
Beths comment proves my point. She assumes everyone not wearing a mask is just selfish murderers that need to stop whining. Keep up your hypocritical ignorance Beth 👍🏽 You’re showing your true colors.
How about “you do you” and “I’ll do me” I will make decisions for myself and my family based on my morals and what I believe to have our best interests in mind. In this beautiful country, we have those liberties. I respect you and I’d hope that I would be given the same respect. I’m not making any decisions because I’m “selfish” or because “I don’t care”. If we were all the same, wouldn’t the World be a boring place….?! Stay healthy, smile and live each day like it could be your last. I, personally- am choosing to not wear a mask. God Speed.
Awww,
I get it, you have made it abundantly clear that you do not care about others in your community and refuse to do anything that might cause you some minor inconvenience, even though it could prevent you from spreading a virus to others at the cost of someones life…..what a perfect example of me me me and to hell with anyone else, I could not have illustrated that mentality and all that is wrong with it any better if I had tried.
Again, Just because you have a legitimate reason to not wear a mask, does not mean you have a legitimate reason to put others at risk no matter how you may to try to justify such a selfish act. No one is judging you for not wearing a mask, the judgement is a result of your choice to then put others at risk by not pursing alternate avenues that meet your need for no mask and others rights to not be subjected to the risk of this virus solely because you could not be bothered to utilize curbside pick up or online ordering.
Laughable when did I ever say I have put anyone at risk ? My wife does the shopping so I don’t have to go in to these stores. You a d others on this very letter have ridiculed people like me labeling us as selfish and ignorant. Do you not see the hypocrisy ? Of course you don’t.
When did I get diagnosed with any deadly virus ? Last I knew I was perfectly healthy besides my health condition that hinders me from wearing a face mask. Did I ever claim not to be doing my part ? No I didn’t but you 🤡s automatically assume the worst and us non mask wearers are evil scum.
If you can’t see the hypocrisy of you expecting me too put my health at risk to make you feel better than I guess you are no better than what you have labeled me as SELFISH !! Have fun in your hypocrisy I intend to have a great day with or without your approval of how I live.
This virus does not take sides. The mask mandate is to protect you, your family and everyone else in the community all over the world. Please don’t be selfish, there are ways to have your needs met without putting everyone else at risk. If you are upset that you can’t go out into the community without a mask don’t complain after you or your loved one is on a ventilator, quarentined or God forbid dead!
Why is it so difficult for people to understand how crucial it is to wear a mask in the community?? The mask is a simple solution to such terrible virus. The virus does not take sides. Take advantage of the opportunity of curbside shopping. The stores will not say no to helping you out if you are unable to wear a mask. Stop complaining! I bet you would change your mind if God forbid you or your family members end up on a ventilator or death. Really, it’s not about you. It would be about you if you’re one of many asymptomatic people spreading the virus.
I know people who are at high risk for COVID and work in retail. Most people who refuse to wear masks are simply selfish and rude. First, even if they think masks don’t work, it’s possible that they might be wrong, and health care professionals, scientists and numerous studies are right. They have to accept that the are fallible. So it’s possible they are endangering others. At the very least, they unnecessarily increase anxiety in high risk folk who know getting COVID could be a death sentence.
Then there are those who say “we don’t have many cases.” True – and that means probably it’s safe without a mask. But at one point Florida had as few cases per million as we now do, and they said, “we’re fine, we’re not New York, let’s open up!” I believe a former Governor of Maine cited Florida as an example in May when he said Mills was a dictator and should open up. Well, they did – look where Florida is now. That’s the thing – masks when we don’t have many cases helps keep that fact true. If a tourist or visitor has COVID, that can start an outbreak.
For almost everyone, it’s a minor inconvenience, ten or fifteen minutes compared to workers who have to wear one all day. It’s only indoors, and outdoors only if social distancing is difficult (I find it odd to see a solitary person wearing a mask while walking a dog, but I guess that’s to err on the side of caution) . HOWEVER, I do have sympathy for those people who have a medical condition and wearing a mask is dangerous or difficult. I will always be kind to those without masks because I know there may be a reason they can’t wear one (though I will socially distance!) And sometimes those people need to shop in a way that can’t be done by someone else or via curbside. But most of us can wear a mask with no harm at all. It’s polite, it’s courteous, and it may save lives. It also may help us keep our economy open, and open more things sooner.
I think we all went along with this thing at first in a spirit of “let’s see how it goes”. We were asked to keep our kids home from school and work from home for two weeks, to “bend the curve” so the health care system wouldn’t be overwhelmed. After all, this is a cold virus, and everyone is going to get it. The goal was just to make sure we didn’t get it all at once. Well, we did that. The hospitals were never overwhelmed; indeed, many doctors are in desperate financial straits for having their hours cut and not being able to see patients. We have all known since April that there was no pandemic after all, no crisis, just a somewhat-more-severe-than-usual cold virus, which is one of those things that happens every few years.
And yet, the less severe the virus turns out to be, the tighter our Democrat friends seem to want to turn the screws. And many of the “safety measures” they want to inflict seem purposefully designed to inflict the maximum possible pain on their neighbors. For example, the masks: they don’t care if you wear a real surgical mask or a cloth costume mask, or a handkerchief; the requirement isn’t that it be effective, only that it be humiliating. Extra effort seems to be made to force churches to kowtow to outrageous restrictions, and all kinds of open-air fairs and festivals are being cancelled, while meanwhile bars are open and political rallies are celebrated. It’s almost like there’s a deliberate effort to outlaw any kind of joy or fun.
If you are looking for why people are protesting the mask, I think these are the reasons: (1) we did our part and that two weeks was up a long, long time ago, (2) we all know now that there was never a crisis anyway, and (3) it’s obvious that those still promoting masks four months after the fizzling out of the pandemic have anything *but* the public good in mind.
Awww,
Its pretty funny that you rail against the mask requirements but now claim you don’t go in stores. Nor did I insinuate that you are evil scum, I simply replied to your comments. I am not a mind reader, there is no way for me to know that your complaints and statements were not based on your real actions. I never once asked you to put your self at risk, I asked you not to use your medical problem as a reason to put others at risk. As far as being diagnosed with the virus, you are aware that a person is capable of spreading the virus well before they become aware that they are infected I would hope, hence the need to wear a mask.
Talk about living in your own little world and you might want to check your feet, pretty sure the clown shoes will fit like a glove.
Laughable you and others portray those of us not wearing masks as evil and selfish. I don’t go in big stores haven’t since they started making people wait in line to spend hard earned money. As for treating every person as a carrier is ridiculous. My board member asked that precautions be taken when this all started and he was ignored by the rest of the board and the school superintendent. So if you would like to learn something new and not what your tv tells you to believe look up the group of Dr.s that recently went to D.C. and spoke out about schools reopening and masks and yes even the cure they have used. It’s all over social media today. Frado Cuomo has even been called out to take a urine test to prove they haven’t been taking hydroxychloriquine even Dr. Fauci was called out to show proof.
Aww,
Sounds like you are referring to the group of Drs that have already been confirmed to have been giving false information saying masks were not needed and misinformation about hydroxychloroquine, same group that got Trump Jr suspended from twitter after he posted their video with misleading/false info. Getting your info from Social Media is not the best idea…038
Explain to me how a cloth face coverng with a mesh size of 0.5-0.8 microns stops a virus that is nanometers?
So you are part of the same group of racists that disavow a black dr. which is also a legal immigrant to this country that has treated over 350 people in Texas and hasn’t lost a patient yet ? That’s what I figured. Don’t believe anything positive just know that everything that doesn’t fit your narrative must have come from the bad orange man that tweets mean things. Bye now cupcake I will leave you to your ignorance!!
Awww,
Could you reach any farther? Now I am a racist for not believing a debunked conspiracy theory on social media? Your clown shoes are showing again!
It’s OK, you can take your ball and run along home to mommy when your nonsense gets called out. If your lucky, maybe she will let you play on social media before bed time and you can discover some more super trust worthy information to discuss on the DB! You should probably ask her for a night light so the evil liberals don’t get you while you are at it, seems to be your only defense of late.
Laughable when did I ever say that liberals scare me ? The only boogey man is our government and those that follow blindly. You say conspiracy theory yet there has been a number of studies done on hydroxychloroquine yet the only people we are supposed to believe is Fauci and Gates ? The Dr.s that went to the capitol have been hands on in this with real patients and Fauci has been in charge of the CDC since Reagan appointed him in the early 80’s to help find a cure for HIV. Hows he done on that ? Ya not good. Then we have Gates who is a computer “whiz” that refuses to vaccinate his own children and has been documented to say we are over populated and yet is pushing for a vaccine to help “save” us all. They haven’t found a vaccine for any other strain of coronavirus and they doubtfully never will.
BTW could you answer my questions I asked awhile back ? How is it if China has been wearing masks since the Asian bird flu yet they are still getting Crona and are by some reports already seeing the “second wave” ? O and the folks in the middle east that have been covering their faces probably since the beginning of time are also getting it ? Hmmm seems you should be a little more openminded and do some real research instead of following your tv blindly. Call me a clown all you want at least I’m open minded enough to do some research and make my own decisions from what is out there for info.
Aww,
The same Dr. you are fawning over, also believes that alien dna is being used in modern medicine, sex with demons in your dreams causes cysts and that a virus is being developed to prevent people from being religious. If that is the type of person you take seriously and put your trust in, so be it, just don’t expect others to listen. I will whole heartedly call you a clown when you spout this type of nonsense and add to the problem of misinformation being spread.
As far as other country’s that are much better about wearing face coverings than the US. No one has ever claimed that masks stop the virus cold, they do however dramatically reduce the spread of the virus. There is a reason that they are only seeing small rises in cases that may lead to a second wave and most of our country is doing so incredibly poorly with the first wave. All we needed to do was show some common decency and respect for each other, but clearly fighting about wearing a mask was much easier than being a decent human being.
It might be time for you to take your own advice and be a little more opened minded and do some research of our own that doesn’t involve social media and outlets that are known to push conspiracy theory’s. Clearly your current sources are a bit lacking.
Explain to me how a cloth face covering with a mesh size of 0.5 – 0.8 microns ‘may stop’ a virus that is nanometers in size?
https://www.henryford.com/news/2020/07/hydro-treatment-study
Heres a link to just one trial done for hydroxychloroquine read it or don’t. If and I say if I get this I will be getting this medical treatment. As an essential worker that has been out in the scary world since this all started and not wearing a mask (health) I have yet to catch the China flu. The group of people I spend time with haven’t gotten it either. We all spend time with our elderly relatives and none of them have gotten it.
As for you thinking We are selfish for not wearing a mask I find it just as selfish that some people think it’s ok to put my health at risk to make them feel better. Yes it’s the same thing and the people I know that flat out refuse think so as well. I have provided my side of this and unlike what you claim I have done plenty of research online and I read both sides info and apply which one works around what I can see that is obvious.
I’m done the back and forth with you I have kids and we are going to focus on getting them back to school. Have a great day Laughable.
What’s racist is using the fact a debunked conspiracy theorist is black as a way to try to say people who criticize her is racist. Her claims are wildly absurd, and have been utterly and completely debunked. Idiotic conspiracy theories can come from people of all backgrounds.
Joe – I don’t think people are tightening the screws or causing pain. Despite the virus, Maine has re-opened most of the economy, people from nearby states without large outbreaks can visit, and people have learned to live with the new normal. So far, we’ve had it good in Maine thanks to the precautions. Most pandemics last a couple years, so we will be doing this for awhile, I suspect.
To the person asking how a mask can work – you can find out that information all over via google, as well as countless studies and experts who say that while imperfect, it is especially helpful in preventing people with the disease from spreading it. In our era everyone thinks they are an expert, and can give one factoid to “prove” their point. In reality, on something like this you look to the science. Our country is uniquely harmed by this virus, we are pitied, and already people are writing the US off – our time as a great power that people looked up to is seen to be over, especially since we seem to think politics beats science. We can turn that around, but only by putting aside partisanism and accepting science – and listening to the experts.
What’s the matter bulldog did my link not fit the narrative? Post my last reply it wasn’t offensive I merely provided a study that showed hydroxychloroquine showed positive results.
Scott I don’t believe this will last a couple years but time will tell maybe a couple more months about three to be a closer guesstimate. As for the new “normal” I hope we as a country are smarter than that to not put ourselves at the mercy of our government. As we all know the government is not up to par. Lastly before I’m done with this article have any of you worn a gas mask in a gas chamber that wasn’t properly dawned ? Not likely because if you have you would understand what K Masterman is talking about. It will make fluids come rushing from every port of your faces. That’s right even a poorly fitting gas mask won’t protect you from an aerosol and after all that is what we are “trying” to protect ourselves from right ? Not every healthy person should be being treated as the enemy of health.
Well this thread is “informative”,,
Anyone laughing?
Look away,
Everything Is Beautiful.
“What’s racist is using the fact a debunked conspiracy theorist is black as a way to try to say people who criticize her is racist.” We can agree here, Scott Erb.
However, in this article you chose to address systemic racism by using the fact that the suspect is black. Please explain the difference. https://dailybulldog.com/features/man-accused-of-threatening-a-family-member-with-a-knife-biting-police-officer/
Google propaganda is clearly partisanism expert science, you know, maybe, possibly, keeping the masses ‘safe’.
These studies do not exist, the best study out there was from 1930s…It may make you feel better, safer, even feel as though your being a better person but none of this equates to masks doing any good whatsoever.
Thanks to science and experts I know Bill Nye cant blow out candles while wearing masks, I know that spit wont pass the mask (although I always limited my exposure to people who spit on me anyway). None of this science has any basis in reality or in fact and is mostly a political thing at this point.
You state this as a matter of fact, must be some proof that a mask helps right?!?!? I mean you wouldn’t say something as a matter of fact without proof, right?!?!?
Awww,
I have stated my opinion as well, It’s just as valid as yours, after doing my own research on the subject that doesn’t involve social media and conspiracy outlets as sources of info.
I sincerely wish you good luck with the kids this school year along with the game of Russian roulette you are playing with your circle of friends and elderly acquaintances.
I will see you on the next article! Enjoy your day.
K MAsterman- masks work in more than one way. Multilayer simple cloth mask do physically trap particles. The virus it not always free floating on its own but is in droplets of mucus so those can be trapped The N 95 masks trap particles based on hydro static forces:) Please don’t make me explain that! But the more particles they catch the better they work I was told ( so why can’tthey be re used you would ask ?? I think becasue they get contaminated on the outside, get dirty ,lose their fit etc Or the elastic breaks. Mine was tied on and re made many times til I got a second one.)
Multilayer fabric or paper masks may have fibers that are in different directions and this is exactly I understand how N 95s are made
I am not an expert
and no thing is perfect But masks are simple cheap and can be worn by most anyone even though we do not like them, and they do help alot.
Your nurses and doctors have worn them for years.
The virus does not care what we like or what we believe
we need to lick this thing, so we need to do every thing we can do
Be well folks.
…and I would like to publicly thank and acknowledge Judy Adams , Dr Deb Hamilton’s mom, who has made over 1,000!! masks for the community Go Judy! Go Deb- who brings them to me.
Pure,
The numerous studies confirming masks effectiveness are more than enough proof for me. Pretty easy to research this from trusted sources if you so desire.
And this study is found where? I’ve seen absolutely zero actual study done, again the 1930 study is only legitimate peer reviewed study I have seen to date, many problems with it but end of day mask effectiveness was left in doubt.
Don’t hate me because I want facts to back up claims…
And never in all those Years have they been worn to prevent doctor to patient virus transmission.
Pure,
I am not doing the leg work for you, I am sure you are quite capable of looking for yourself. I will say that there have been multiples released on a almost weekly basis for some time now both disproving adverse effects of wearing them and their effectiveness at reducing transmission.
The covid virus marks the first time in the history of medicine that the bureaucrats in Washington D.C. have mandated policies to publicly quarentine the healthy population of hardworking taxpaying Americans to lockdown our country and her vital services and productivity.
There are available early onset treatments for those testing positve with good results. Isolate and quarentine and treat our sick appropriately. Continue excellent personal hygiene among all citizens.
There have been no reported incidents of childern passing this flu to teachers anywhere in the world.
Are you concerned about living in an indefinite state of emergency ( non-standardized ) cloth face covering MANDATES and the ‘new normal’ ?
Im sorry but Bill Nyes inability to blow out a candle is not a scientific study of mask effectiveness, There are none that say what you contend or want them to say.
Your the one wanting to mandate the wearing of a mask, I would think the least you could do is prove them to be helpful…
This deny the ability to buy/sell/trade goods unless I wear a mask on my face with NO Science to actually back up the reason for wearing said mask is a very odd stance I think….
Pure,
What is your obsession with Bill Nye? He has nothing to do with the studies that have been released.
A quick search of “mask effectiveness study” would be a good place to start if you are really interested in educating yourself, providing you don’t simply want to stir the pot by denying what the vast majority of health experts are saying.
I will ask a simple question: What do you have to lose by wearing a mask? Best case it slow’s down the spread of the virus, worse case you are in the same place as not wearing one. There is absolutely nothing to be gained by refusing to wear a mask other than spreading the virus and causing more economic struggles. Not a great end game.
Pure – your disregard of science and false belief that it’s an attack on freedom to have to wear a mask shows that you don’t care about your community, and don’t mind the 150,000 dead – likely to reach as much as the Spanish flu – over 675,000 dead – if people like you keep ignoring reality. Herman Cain went to Trump’s Tulsa rally without a mask and now he’s dead of COVID. And schools have spread COVID, a claim they don’t is simply wrong. Sigh. So much ignorance, all just to avoid the inconvenience of caring for the community and protecting lives. Ignorance.
I forgot to include the link about school openings causing more COVID: https://www.thedailybeast.com/israeli-data-show-school-openings-were-a-disaster-that-wiped-out-lockdown-gains
Scott Erb, so from your comment Mr. Cain would still be alive if he had worn a mask to protect himself?
I could have sworn I read an article a few weeks back about the UMF opening up and you supporting that.
Are you now supporting keeping schools closed?
If public schools were closed for a year just think of the can of worms that would open. ( my opinion is to keep the schools closed, a perfect time to restructure the entire public education system. )
I wear a mask when I go out in public, which is very seldom. When I am out the largest group of people I see without masks is the below 30 age. ( not a scientific poll, just my observation ) and I thought Mr. Erb said our young people were going to save us all.
Maybe if we call them an ” imask ” and they cost 800$ with designer holes in them we can get young people to wear them.
I wear a mask because I’m erring on the side of caution.
I hate the damn thing and am NOT convinced we’re doing the right thing but, (as I said) I’m erring on the side of caution.
I would encourage everyone to do the same.
What I am convinced of is this is political by many.
Usually the ones who feel the need to name call and berate people who disagree with them.
I’ve read comments from these same name callers in the past on here that “you name call when you are a “little man” or you dont have a valid argument”.
Is this true or not?
Care about others.
Everything Is Beautiful.